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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Call Me Charlie posted:

So the Republicans are responsible for Obama making a deal with lobbyists in 2009 and for the White House refusing to twist any arms to get the votes needed to include a heavily neutered public option that Obama promised those lobbyists wouldn't be included? Ok.

Next tell me how the Republicans are really responsible for Obama's (one of the most honorable, charismatic and effective presidents of the last 2 decades :allears:) administration being the one to suggest sequestration with automatic triggers in 2011 https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...7c314_blog.html (I hate linking the Washington Post but it's really difficult to try to find live links to stories from 5 years ago)

I hope it's as good as Bill Clinton being forced to reform welfare and sign the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

(And I assume that it's also the Republicans' fault that Obama and the entire DNC decided to back Patrick Murphy - a person with one of the most conservative records in the House Democratic caucus - in my senate race.)


You literally posted "If you really want an American left, you need to do the following: (...) 3) Decouple leftism from its perceived negative ties. Talk about actual socialist countries like Sweden and how great it is there." He tried that and she discredited that by saying that we aren't Denmark (explicitly implying that those policies wouldn't work in America)

If you read Hillary's goldman sachs speeches you can pretty easily identify her real positions on issues and she basically only wants Wall Street to have to follow rules that it makes up for itself and will only couple taxes with some give-and-take.

And inevitably i'm going to get someone saying that's the pragmatic take, but here's a more pragmatic take. Present yourself as the only thing keeping the people from hanging Wall Street, then tell them that if they want that kind of relationship to continue there are going to be new rules, and if you don't like it, well, tough.

Panzeh fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Dec 13, 2016

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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
The electorate? Oh, they're racist. That's why we lost.

We're the pragmatists.

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