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Higsian posted:You should keep reading past the hunter-gather point as I drop the point very quickly because I don't give a poo poo about it and only address it because the post I was replying to asks specifically what existed before work for pay. One problem - you don't understand what democracy is and seem stuck at a 4th grade level where you think it's individual freedom and empowerment and 'having a say' or whatever when really the best case scenario is that no one (including you) is happy.
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Still not getting the thesis of the thread. Centrism is the only logical result of a functioning democracy. The democrats don't somehow embody centrism and in-fact it's the bitter partisan rejection of centrist compromise that's characterized the last decade or two of disfunction thats lead us to where we are. The death of centrism is the problem.
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Consistently "arriving" in the center requires a desire to do so. It's not automatically emergent from the rules of the system and requires a culture (and a voting public) that allows or encourages it. The republican unwillingness to accept Obama's supreme court nominee is a perfect example of what it looks like when the governing "centrist" culture deteriorates. It takes more than the consitution and the laws to make the system work.
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Rush Limbo posted:Hegelian Dialectics postulates that the thesis and antithesis, when they come together, form synthesis and become stronger as a result. You don't skip to it but it needs to be recognized as a legitimate and desirable end. The point is that the rules are written to encourage a healthy result but it turns out you can't write rules for everything. Power exists within the system to grind it to a halt and it's only discipline and culture that prevent this from getting used all the time. That's eroding as voters encourage their representatives to put up walls that prevent compromise. This doesn't automatically make the country stronger.
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OwlFancier posted:It demonstrates the weakness of the system and invites correction. Yes but a democratic system must represent what the people want to some extent. If they don't see the legitimacy of centrism as a desireable result the only way you can change the rules to encourage it is to weaken the democracy. And compromise is the only way democracy actually works.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:were democracy actually predicated on everyone in the country without exception clapping their hands and believing in the transformative power of the truth being somewhere in the middle rather than unabashedly pushing to advance their causes by any legal means it'd boggle the imagination any democratic state coulda lasted this long, really. That's kind of an asinine way to run things, and certainly wasn't how people felt back when Congressmen were dueling each other and dishing out beatings on the house floor over causes they actually believed in and disagreed on. First, it's interesting that your anecdotes date from the run-up to the civil war. Second it's very simple - government by the people requires a population that buys into the idea of compromise and is willing to accept 'centrism' as a result. Broad attacks against the idea of centrism are attacks against democracy. Lastly the ruling class was soundly defeated in this election. Trump is populism and democratic success in a narrow sense.
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