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TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Main Paineframe posted:

You're way off here. In the US, it's the left that derides the poor rural whites for wanting jobs over welfare. I don't know how it is in countries that speak the Queen's English, but here in the US the idea that employment is inherently empowering is a right-wing idea shared by the center and largely rejected by the left.

Most other countries actually have or had an organised left due to things like labour movements, which were rather active proponents of the right to work and considered employment empowering by definition since it allowed them to collectively organise. The left-liberal tendency in america doesn't share the same lineage, the same aims or the same values and it shows.

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TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

The thing is, liberal centrism is not some synthesis born of compromise and debate in western democracies. It's the result of focus-grouping, polling, public relations and marketing. It's about watering down policy to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It nullifies meaningful choice by making all feasible options all but indistinguishable, like having seven different flavours of tea on offer when what you really want is a cup of coffee. It's been dying a slow death for the past decade because once you excise politics from politics people disengage. Just look at how energised and enthusiastic the republican base has been for the past 8 years compared to the dems, it's because the republicans pulled away from the safe center and pursued a radical agenda, tugging the overton window right as they did so. Compromise is great and sure it's a sign of a functional democracy, but if you capitulate and dilute your policies and your values before the debate even starts that's not a compromise that's a copout.

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