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Bushiz posted:Jeff Sessions sending a bunch of FBI agents in full tactical gear to raid a bunch of small business owners because states rights don't matter seems like the sort of thing that's hard for the democrats to gently caress up, but then again, they are the democrats The problem, as always, is that despite most of the Democratic base opposing it, most of the Democratic politicians would actually support this happening, so they'll be quiet lest they ruin "one of the few good things" the administration is doing.
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Dmitri-9 posted:Why are the democrats so bad a partisan politics? When Obama was bombing Libya Fox News turned into Human Rights Watch just because it was someone else who got to do the bombing. Literally right this moment a huge chunk of Democrats are excitingly talking about how they are totally on board with Trumps plan to replace Obamacare. Lawman 0 posted:Learn 2 primary DINOS. No, learn to primary the Dems with DINOs. Pro-drug-war is official Dem policy.
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Dec 16, 2016 17:04
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Roylicious posted:Rolled out from the state legislatures who have been passing legalization bills. It's already more than half the states that have some kind of medical weed at least isn't it? What legislatures have written and passed legalization bills without having their hands forced on the issue? None, from what I can recall. Not one. Agean90 posted:if they do that they can kiss several swing states goodbye. Assuming the dems there are organized enough to take advantage of it. So what you're saying is, they'll get away with it too? Roylicious posted:Okay, but what could they actually do? At most they can order the DEA to pursue heavy enforcement but without local PD cooperation that's going to be very ineffectual. They can shut down the legal market and drive the whole thing back underground. Which brings back all the crime issues and social unrest and side effects, except this time it gets blamed on weed being legal.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:35
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Roylicious posted:Idk what point you're trying to make here. You seem to think state legislatures will fight for legal weed, but there are no state legislatures that actually support legal weed yet.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:45
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Roylicious posted:Also, clearly weed legalization is popular among the voters. What state politician is going to risk pissing off his base and ending their career in order to appease the federal government? Many of them are going to roll over because it gives them an excuse to get the outcome they want and blame Trump instead of themselves. Weed is still illegal, all they need to do is give the go ahead for the Feds to enforce it. The state laws literally don't matter if that happens.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:54
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Roylicious posted:It would mean an incredibly good chance of losing their seat in the next election and that's the #1 thing they are trying to avoid. You are making some fundamentally flawed assumptions here, and reality disagrees with you quite strongly. Roylicious posted:Well I think that you think people hate weed like it is still 1999 I don't, I didn't say I did, but you seem to believe politicians support weed the same way the public does and it couldn't be further from the truth.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:06
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I think home growing will still be fine, for the most part. The real risk is politicians seeing an opportunity to shift policy back a decade and turn popular sentiment against legalization. We haven't won the war for popular opinion, we've only made progress, and it could go back to where it was in eight years, easily.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:10
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Roylicious posted:But why? They just hate weed? Politicians do things they think would be beneficial to themselves and their career. This seems like a giant unpopular fight for no purpose. Well, first, politicians do actually have beliefs. They aren't perfectly emotional, self-interested robots. And yes, they loving hate weed, in large part. I live somewhere with overwhelming support, and I've spoken to three local politicians, and not only do they hate weed, they hate the people who smoke weed, they are full of vitriol and contempt, and they hate the people who voted for weed even though it makes up the majority of their supporters. I don't claim to understand it, but yes, many of them outright loving hate weed legalization. Even if they didn't, a lot of their wealthy donors and backers and behind the scenes organizers, people whose opinions they seem to care about a lot more than the average voter, hate it too. And a lot of them are simply afraid to take risks, they think marijuana opposition is safe because even though people support legalization they don't support it enough to vote for a Republican that also hates it... and they aren't wrong! The evidence speaks for itself, look at all the states where the Legislatures are actively acting against or refuse to move on legalization measures because of internal political opposition despite the fact that the states themselves keep voting overwhelmingly to legalize. Maybe you're lucky to live in a better state where you don't get to see the constant war between the electorate and the politicians over this issue, and just how willing politicians are to tell their supporters to gently caress off about it.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:21
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Roylicious posted:Maybe I'm too jaded The problem is that the few things they tend to have strong beliefs over tend to be really bad because it's usually based around "gently caress these people I don't like"
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Mirthless posted:the guy next to me at work literally believes that the children of homeless mothers should starve to death to punish their parents for their laziness and even he thinks marijuana should be legalized and that the medical states have proven it's harmless You act as if those things have anything to do with each other or I should somehow make some sort of connection between them? It's no cynicism to recognize opinions can change over time. quote:also all your guys' weird cynicism aside the state legislature in CO at least is incredibly on board with legal weed not for the least reason being that just about every project in CO now is getting some of that weed money. Politicians have a lot to gain from maintaining prohibition but once it's gone bringing it back is a tricky proposition without a lot of benefits. They were threatening to ignore federal rulings from the SC on their Marijuana law for christ's sake.
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Dec 16, 2016 21:57
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Zorodius posted:The time has come for a gun that shoots weed Smoke 'em
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Dec 16, 2016 22:31
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That Robot posted:actually, illinois' medical marijuana program was enacted by the state legislature And not under duress? (I know there's been a handful that rushed through legalization to get ahead of a ballot measure that looked like it would pass and implement something more restricted while keeping it off the ballot) That would be pretty cool, at least.
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Dec 17, 2016 04:19
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Yeah as stupid as it would be for the Republicans most Dems want it illegal too so there is going to be opposition to seizing the moment. They might pull it off, but betting on Dem competence is risky business.
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Dec 17, 2016 23:37
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The democratic administration just pushed through rescheduling hemp oil to schedule 1 nationally, and a great many democrats are saying they would be willing to work with Trump on shared interests. There is no way the Democrats are going to criticize Trump or Sessions if they kick the drug war into a higher gear
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Dec 17, 2016 23:54
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Squalid posted:I admit I'm always puzzled just how severe opposition to legalization has been in the legislature. I mean if this policy is so popular grass-roots campaigns are able to build themselves up and get people voting yes you'd think there would be some incentive for our representatives to put up their own initiatives to a vote but somehow that just isn't happening. How can there be such a disconnect between what people want and their elected government is willing to do? There's hardly even any organized opposition to speak of, almost no real money is being put up against legalization Hatred of black people and the left wing overwhelming all other concerns. Same as it ever was.
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Dec 17, 2016 23:57
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Democrats could run on "Literally Trump But Legal Weed" in 2020 and win They probably wont though, they dont want to win THAT bad
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Dec 18, 2016 00:34
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Princess Di posted:Whoa there. Is sweet tax revenue really worth the price of sacrificing your ideals? (Those ideals being putting your boot on the neck of blacks and hippies and other subversives)
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Dec 21, 2016 02:25
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Princess Di posted:I used to use that for cosmetic purposes. I think it's specifically the medical variant, and no, you can not. Also, it's not just the private prison lobbyists, and that whole thing is a bit of a red herring. Publicly owned prisons are where the real money is, and lmao if you don't think people are making a ton of cash off government prisons. Also law enforcement continues to be the biggest proponent of spending more money on law enforcement, for obvious reasons, and justifying that requires really egregious laws!
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Dec 21, 2016 03:47
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Dmitri-9 posted:They pushed back the opening of dispensaries from Jan 2018 to July 2018, legalization already happened on Dec 15th. I don't even understand how they can pass a law without a certain percentage of the legislature present. Actually from Jan 2017 to July 2018, now, I think. This is the second time it was pushed back.
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Dec 29, 2016 04:08
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Moridin920 posted:It probably takes some time to come up with licensing and taxation and regulation for an entire new industry. Relax lol it is a 6 month delay. It's the second delay. CO did it within the original timespan determined by the referendum, they did it better than the MA legislature is going to do it (I guarantee), the MA legislature has a history of indefinitely delaying referendum results six months at a time, and have been very public about the fact that they really want to kill it if at all possible and make it as bad as possible if it's not. It's a a last gasp effort to gently caress people over and nothing less.
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Dec 29, 2016 20:39
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get that OUT of my face posted:ah i see. whatever they'll do (and they'll do something) sorta flies in the face of state's rights, small government, support for the private sector, individual liberty, support for law enforcement, and a whole host of other planks that the GOP supposedly holds dear, but the only constant in the authoritarian mind is spite. that's why Sesh wants this killed He wants it killed because the legalization movement is building momentum and attracting people to liberal thought. You just know those weed corps are going to be backing Dems.
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Feb 26, 2017 06:54
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:oh no the weed not the precious weed Well the people involved and their livelihoods are the real concern but yah
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Feb 26, 2017 15:59
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:the weed  I'm not sure what you're going for but I'm guessing... You don't care about the livelihoods and social harms that will be done. But it gets you really upset that other people do? I'll be honest, your low effort posting makes it really hard to tell what your point actually is besides mocking other people for caring about the possibility of bad things happening.
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Mar 2, 2017 19:46
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No guys, here, let me pull out the statistics that show blacks aren't unfairly target when compared to white left leaning liberals of a certain age and social class in certain regions. See! It's okay that the drug war is politically motivated because it's not racist, it's just completely intended to disempower leftists and Democrats and is it really anyone's fault that so many black people vote Democrat and thus put themselves in the crosshairs? So really, when you think about it, this issue isn't important at all.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:08
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Peachfart posted:Yuuuuuuuuuup. It's all fun and games until it affects me! Thats a pretty stupid post. Shameful.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:58
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Gringostar posted:trump is president Hmm no. No it does not.
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Gringostar posted:harden the gently caress up then This also doesn't help. Man you're bad at stuff
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