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Fojar38 posted:They aren't dominant, left-wing echo chambers do exist. I appreciate this new tendency of reactionaries to consider anything that isn't literally calling for black genocide to therefore be self-evidently left-wing. Especially given all of SA's prominent communists were permaed over half a decade ago and those who survived were (and still are) primarily lurkers. Eventually Hitler will be the far-leftist SJWist special snowflake in history because he was kind to animals and didn't just want to gently caress them.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:This made me realize something else; the internet right is intolerant as all hell. They'll happily harass somebody offline and will not let up when they decide to hate somebody. If the alt right gets you in their crosshairs your best bet is to just disconnect and go offline. They are relentless. Yeah this... isn't true. The left's presence on the internet has tended towards dogpiling the gently caress out of people on social media. Way more people have been harassed off the internet due to left-leaning harassment than right-wing... although in the past 3-4 years the balance has certainly shifted towards a stronger right-wing reaction. I say this as someone who has spent many years trying to stop different factions from infighting and work together. What is interesting is what the major cause of splits tends to be on the left these days - the revelation of someone being an abuser or rapist and the fracturing of groups according to those who forgive / stand with them regardless and those who refuse to have anything to do with the prior group. The biggest example is the British Socialist Workers Party where one of the central board was reported to have raped another party member and the rest of the board just circled the wagons and kicked out anyone who supported the victim. Great solidarity guys.  On the right they just high-five the person responsible and carry on as usual.
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Ignoring for a second that Alexa rankings are as accurate as divining a pile of dogshit, 4chan skewing more female does not mean the entire site is more female - I've met more /a/ and /x/ browsing women in the wild than /b/ and /pol/, for perhaps obvious reasons.
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Dec 19, 2016 20:06
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Talmonis posted:My theory is that the alt-right wants to drive discourse in any public online space into the gutter. To swarm every comment section, every message board and every social media platform with hateful bullshit and argument, until nobody wants to be there but them. That they either want the internet to themselves, or at least be seen as a monolithic force that needs to be placated by industry and entertainment. They want their bullshit to be "the dissenting opinion" rather than the utter trash that it is, and is rightly treated as such (for now). As they say, "If you can't dazzle them with wit, baffle them with bullshit."
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Dec 20, 2016 20:25
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Call Me Charlie posted:You're right. What's the problem with that? They said nearly the same statement was both 'mostly false' and 'mostly true'. Must be all the colloidal silver clouding my judgement or something. As your own citation points out, Trump pulled a number from nowhere but it's true that employment prospects for black Americans tend to be poor. Thus mostly false - but not entirely. Of note: quote:Trump’s campaign didn’t respond to our question about where the candidate got his 59 percent figure. But it appears likely it comes from a computation of all 16- to 24-year-old blacks who aren’t working and may not even want a job, including high school and college students. So it's using misleading data, but is noting a real issue. So he's right for the wrong reason. Meanwhile it says for Sanders his point is correct but he used the wrong word - unemployment instead of underemployment. quote:The statistic EPI used, known by the wonky shorthand U-6, is officially called a measure of "labor underutilization" rather than "unemployment." EPI itself used the term "underemployment" in its research. So he's right, for the right reason, but misused the term. Thus, mostly true, but not entirely. Politifact does often gently caress up, but these two situations are perfectly valid diverging verdicts.
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Eh, I'd just summarise that by and large progressivism is winning the overall 'culture war' that reactionaries imagine exists. Obama wasn't wrong to say that the path of progress isn't a straight line but a zigzag. Right-wingers have their time in the sun right now but one of the things about change under democracy is it's rarely large things at once. It takes war or revolution. Trump's admin will suck, but the Republicans will find how hard it is to enact change quickly.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:31
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Truly, the left is dead because they failed to recognise the dilemma of ethics in games journalism.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:52
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Wow you really converted that guy to a progressive point of view. What was your magic master technique?
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Sharkie posted:They probably bonded over their shared fear of trans people. Given Marx and Engels were virulent homophobes he's just adopted a 21st century reactionary viewpoint to modernise the brand.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:11
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And don't forget the classic MLK letter from Birmingham Jail:quote:"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
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Dec 22, 2016 03:25
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Black people are not the problem. I love that this is being said in a thread asking about the prominence of far-right viewpoints on the internet. Really hits home where the thread has veered.
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Dec 22, 2016 03:35
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OneEightHundred posted:This is mostly true, but I think that there's long-term damage being done that's going to manifest in a few years. The "culture war" in the first place is mainly a matter of the right attempting to make inroads among a younger audience by embracing pop culture, which is a stark departure from the conservatism of decades prior that hated pop culture. Totally! My point was more that while this situation is bad, it's not necessarily a sign of long-term societal regression. America as a whole is tending to liberalise, and so the current new guard of right-wing shitheads will try their best to make as much damage as possible to social safety nets and social cohesion before they're ousted but it will have a backlash that can hopefully re-right the trajectory of America. Whether it's enough to prevent regression in American society I can't say. The rise of the far-right in political parties across Europe is worrying but hardly a dominant political force... yet. The EU pulling its head out of its arse might change things here.
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Dec 22, 2016 03:42
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OneEightHundred posted:It could go a lot of ways, and talking about it in terms of political power is difficult because the ability of public opinion to be reflected in policy has already been seriously undermined in the US. We'll soon have a Republican majority in both houses of Congress and the presidency despite a Democratic majority of voters in all of them. This election should make people seriously question the "inevitable shift leftward" refrain. Even if it's true, which it probably is, it's inviting counter-productive complacency and will take a very long time to materialize. Oh I agree - the shift leftward isn't inevitable. My point was that we currently have the ball rolling in our direction and while Trump's election isn't the push we wanted it's not going to stop the ball if we keep pushing it. I suppose that my view isn't "this is fine" but "this is not even close to the end of progressivism." OneEightHundred posted:You also need to consider that the right adapts too. People like Milo are an adaptation away from religion as the linchpin of American conservatism, trade isolationism is an adaptation, and so is the current "culture war" in ways already stated. There will always be people that want to set things back 10+ years, even if the target year moves forward. The interesting thing here is that while it's certainly true that the 'easily offended millenial' stereotype is catching on with people offended that they're called dumb and racist, its existence is more of an encouraging sign that they couldn't win the argument of "it's funny to call black people monkeys" and had to snivel and cry that they have a right to say it so MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH LIBERALS ARE TRYING TO TAKE IT. It's catching on with (wo)manchildren but far from the majority, hell just look at demographic breakdowns of political views and it's boomers loving fascists, their kids being moderate assholish and our generation has a bunch of pimple-faced nazis and a bunch of otherkin moonbats sure, but it's mostly liberal-leaning folks. Even Milo "Jewish and Nazi" Yabbadabbadoopolis is openly gay and brags about loving black dude dick. His followers have to change their stripes and now economic right-wingism has to also accept gay folks. Milo's opponents are edged out of the extremist fringe, meaning the right-wing economics and right-wing social views shitbags are now out of the game. Something that was telling was that Boosted_C5 (our resident D&D/C-SPAM Trumpkin) was sick of the GOP hammering on about abortion and gay marriage and trans bathroom laws. He wanted lower taxes and his guns. Modern Republicans might not like gay people or abortion or any of that poo poo but Trump's election shows they aren't actually interested in issues or consistency on policy. OneEightHundred posted:I guess the point is that things will progress, but I'm not counting on a backlash beyond the highly likely Trump-being-giant-fuckup scenario. And that's what I think can help. Trump has toxified the Republican brand. Check out poo poo like trumpgrets on tumblr where someone initially started documenting instances of right-wingers boohooing about Trump turning out to have *feigns shock* LIED TO THEM I think he's already doing damage to them in the long term. Whether the GOP establishment can ditch the stink when Trump is bringing in their establishment-Tea Partiers to his admin... well I'm not an oracle. But I'm nihilistically optimistic right now.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Thank the lord that folks like you are marginalized nuts on the internet instead of actually out in society misleading victims of sexual violence en masse. Just because you have this username doesn't mean you have to be such a gaping rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 23, 2016 00:32
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Recoome posted:Is this real?? Have posters here actually threatened you? Unless he tells the cops he's probably lying for attention. See the theses of my friend Wi-- ...oh. Hmm. Awkward.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:23
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Reading volkerball's post it does remind me that that alt-right very strongly overlaps with the Mens Rights Movement, and the involuntary celibacy brigade. Who's have thought that a bunch of sex-starved life failures would end up resenting foreigners for their lack of action. Cough. Cough. 
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Dec 28, 2016 14:38
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Talmonis posted:These statements are harmful and our fault. "Our" as in American society and the idea of masculinity itself judging a man's worth by their sexual partners. They don't excuse misogyny and especially racism (seriously, what the hell?), but they're a prime source for the stewing resentment and anger. Sorry I should have been more clear - they're life failures because they dedicate their time and energy being hateful whiny shits on the internet, it is unrelated to their lack of having sex. The latter just feeds into a cycle of misogyny wherein they believe women owe them something for swinging something between their legs, but it is not the root cause of their shittiness. blowfish for instance has a very happy life with a healthy relationship towards the women in it despite transforming into a pumpkin within 30 metres of a woman's bedroom.
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Not to mention Britain leaving the European Union was hardly an eccentricity of the alt-right. Even Trump's election is not something you can put down to the 'growing' of the alt-right, his vote tally was worse than noted enemy of the alt-right Mitt Romney four years ago. Clinton failing to win a supposedly unloseable election is testament to the failure of the Democratic Party to win over old friends as opposed to the alt-right winning new ones. Heck Trump's cabinet are basically all establishment Republicans apart from Bannondorf.
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Dec 28, 2016 22:33
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The MRA thought is entirely "women are inherently evil and feminism is the cause of all modern social ills." Nothing is ever that simple. But also merges strongly with the PUA community who also believe that women are dumb idiots who can be won over using the cheat codes contained in my book, $19.99 on Amazon dot com. These books of course basically give advice ranging from the sensible ("brush your teeth for gently caress's sake") to the borderline rapey, but ultimately the only thing that increases your likelihood of hooking up is getting out there and trying which these books encourage you to do. But it kinda leads back into a mindset that women are objects, instead of being the Nice-Guy idea of a vending machine that dispenses sex if you put in enough kindness coins, it's that women are now a Rubik's cube that pops open to dispense sex. At no point are they told to think of women as sentient beings so much as a badly constructed AI out to blue balls you by default. Which then leads into MRA mindsets. Women are blue balling you! But also plan to steal your sperm and tie you to alimony for the rest of your life!!
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OneEightHundred posted:Yeah but PUAs, like most scam artists, exist because there's a real problem with a lack of credible alternatives. MGTOW exist for the same reason. Nobody is giving them non-lovely dating advice. Not quite - there's a poo poo ton of credible alternatives they just don't just Totally Promise to provide the Konami Code to gettin'em wet. PUA is so enticing because it promises even the creepiest motherfucker an even playing field with *rolls extremely dated sexy-man dice* Orlando Bloom. The reality is that the decent advice is harder - and we've seen from many of the target audience that they feel effort is something to be sneered at. As a CompSci grad I can appreciate the desire to have computers do the hard work so you don't have to, but frankly I've always preferred analogue to digital. No pun intended. BarbarianElephant posted:There are lots of decent self-help books and columns about dating for men out there. But a lot of these guys attracted to PUA stuff have really twisted personalities. They loathe women. I can see why they have a problem getting a date, they practically vibrate with "I am going to murder you if you refuse me." Women can *smell* that. It's a survival tactic. One thing that is useful about these assholes putting out books is even back in 07 one of my friends was giving me a rundown of the assholes in the room trying the physical-touching techniques. Makes for great knowledge of how to 'accidentally' ruin the effect with an ill-timed walk-past-and-jostle.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The PUA bullshit also sells because it promises all the sex with none of the commitment. It really appeals to people who are uninterested in any sort of connection or who are just tremendously selfish. Or both. It also appeals to people who bought into "women are pure evil" nonsense. The view is that women are only interested in your money and not you at all so just hump'n'dump all day every day. After all, objects are disposable!
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21 Muns posted:If these sexually incapable young men are sitting around waiting to be radicalized into any ideology that comes around claiming to help them out, couldn't we just push them towards any of the classic religions that promoted celibacy? Just make them all monks or something. Could secularism have a (small) share of the blame here? It might have shifted things a nanoangstrom at most.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am feeling really surprised the concept of "they just need to get laid to be more leftist" is getting traction in this thread. It seems like such a school yard insult type of logic. Good thing no-one was saying this then. The problem is people unpopular at school in their formative years often frequently develop an unhealthy attitude towards women that doesn't magically melt away when they, as you put it, get their 'dick wet' - resentment can last a long time, and when other misanthropes online reinforce that attitude then it can potentially never go away.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Abusive partners come from *somewhere.* I figure that when guys like this actually hook a woman, their hangups mean that they are scared that she is planning to leave/cheating on them/disrespecting them, and this to them preemptively justifies them being controlling and abusive. Yeah exactly - I highly doubt Elliot Rodger having sex once would immediately transform him from a murdering psychopath into a good boy who respects women. I doubt having sex every day for the rest of his life would. Sometimes the damage is done and all you can do is manage the person.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Where is the idea that the far right was the kids that were unpopular in school are coming from? No-one said that. You might get better answers to your questions if you start reading what's actually being said. For one thing there are many misogynists on the 'left' - gently caress's sake look at the Socialist Workers Party (UK) and their rapey rapey inner council. We're talking about how unhealthy attitudes towards women can occur and that's actually relatively politically neutral at that point of their lives.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:The left avoids conflict Uh. They fight all the loving time. There's a reason there's like 40 different Socialist/Communist parties in most democracies.
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Dec 30, 2016 22:54
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Kilano posted:To be honest the thought of college educated liberals telling the poor that they should be more open minded actually is infuriating. Being fair, any who do that clearly didn't get a decent education.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:class consciousness  Who are you and what did you do with Jeffrey?
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I'm on a train, we all break down and seriouspost sometimes. The OP trolled me into participating by stating its absurd premise right there in the title!!! Well stop it I'm starting to like your style.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Is it not the purpose of communism to have a classless, moneyless, stateless society with a comfortable but enforced standard of living? Absolutely not. Marx dismisses such a thought as ridiculous on its head - the concept of a universally-accepted exchange-value is so fundamental that should you 'abolish money' then some other commodity would merely replace it as the universal exchange mechanism and just become the unofficial money. Also the point of communism isn't to 'enforce' a standard of living but that it should occur innately to the situation, as common morality leaves no handicapped behind and freeloaders get told to chip in or gently caress off.
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Kilano posted:I do think it's ridiculous to say people living in poverty, even white, are "privileged" This is a misunderstanding of the term, which I appreciate isn't helped by it almost never being explained properly... The concept of 'privilege' was never meant to imply that having any of the boxes ticked meant you were living a perfect life, it was meant to draw attention to the fact that the way society chooses to treat people means that life can be (even) harder for people who you share a trait with. It's not meant to be a ranking system but a request for people to realise that life isn't easy for people, for a myriad of reasons.
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:It's possible that the concept privilege is a useful tool to understand society but not, actually, a particularly useful way to persuade people that you are right. It's almost like critique is different from suggestion.
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Rakosi posted:You are living on a different planet if you don't think "privilege" is used as both. Interesting that you've somehow hallucinated that I said they're never both. However my point is that something not being a valid term of discourse does not invalidate its use in analysis. I can spell this out even more simply if you require.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:If you introduce the concept of white privilege to someone, and they "become alt-right", nothing has changed. They were alt-right to begin with, you just hadn't asked them the question. Bullshit. I demand to know what question or phrase I need to ask someone in order to make them a Communist.
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