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ToxicSlurpee
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Parasite singles. That's a lot of it; upper-middle class to upper class white guys with nothing to do all day looking for somebody to blame.

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Fojar38 posted:

They aren't dominant, left-wing echo chambers do exist.

Hell, we're in one (now watch everyone get really mad at me for saying so, proving my point entirely)

We just tend to not notice that they exist because we ourselves are left-wing.

I think the thing to realize is that they aren't dominant they're just really, really god damned loud.

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ChairMaster posted:

The left wing on the internet specialises entirely in infighting and eating their own in a never-ending contest to prove who is the most ideologically pure, whereas the internet right wing is interested in little more than getting the black guy out of office and kicking out the immigrants and making America great again.

They're all on the same side, and we're just here to show off how smart and noble we are individually, what do you expect to happen?

This made me realize something else; the internet right is intolerant as all hell. They'll happily harass somebody offline and will not let up when they decide to hate somebody. If the alt right gets you in their crosshairs your best bet is to just disconnect and go offline. They are relentless.

I really don't see the left doing that. The internet left tries to play more-tolerant-than-thou nonstop. The internet right sees that as a sign of weakness that must be attacked.

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Confounding Factor posted:

That's interesting about #3. Any theories to why folks that work in cubicles lean conservative?

Upper middle class white people.

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BarbarianElephant posted:

Yeah, that's why they flip out over girls playing video games while at the same time bemoaning the fact that they can't find a girlfriend who likes videogames. I suppose the ideal is a girl who loves videogames, but doesn't talk about them, particularly in a critical way.

It really, really doesn't help that as soon as a female voice comes over on voice chat you'll invariably get "tits or gtfo" or "GAEMR GIRL BE MAI WAIFU PLZZZZZ" pretty much immediately. There are, in fact, many women who enjoy games but either don't play them online, don't play them on pub servers, or hide the fact that they're women because of how horrifyingly common really gross misogynists are on the internet. Frequently that same guy that demands pictures of breasts from every woman on the internet laments that he's single despite being a nice guy. They've created a culture that is openly hostile to women while simultaneously failing to realize that it's their own drat fault women don't want to be around them.

I can definitely understand it when women who like games decide they don't want to deal with that poo poo.

Neurolimal posted:

I cant articulate it well, but I feel like theres a deeper underlying problem at play responsible for frustraded men and women not finding love and polarizing them that I'm worried could blindside us. It concerns me because I feel like its responsible for a lot of the recent surge in MRA's.

I think a part of it has to do with public expectations and inflated standards due to stereotypes and memes perpetuated by our society. Men are made very noninteractive and distant due to the pressure to not be the passive-aggressive 'nice guy' nor the violent sexist pig, resulting in a loss of passion and individuality. Meanwhile women are given the impression that they are liberated and progressive, which is proven wrong when they display how tightly the double-standards of sexism still cling to them when they exhaust the entirety of their personal bios listing everything they dont want or are afraid to admit wanting (resulting in the already impersonal and timid partners to become even more monotonous and bland). Ironically, the emphasis on suppressing subtle personality reduces some to the caricatures MRA's present, being left with nothing to judge individuals on but their looks and accomplishments.

It also helps that both parties are hilariously awkward and nerdy, adding another clumsy layer to the whole thing.

That actually shows the biggest failing point of MRA thought. The social issues that led to where we are now are actually very complex. A lot of it has to do with things that aren't even gender-related. In American society we worship wealth and prestige; you must pursue those things at all costs all the time, no matter what, to the expense of all else. Meanwhile the stagnating wages and rising costs of living mean that people just plain can't afford to go out. It's also just plain easier to plunk down in front of electronic gizmos for hours on end than it is to go out. Meanwhile we have a society that's telling both genders not to trust the other pretty much nonstop. In high school we all got a talk about big scary STDs and how if you have sex at all you'll get all of them. Sex, dating, and whatever are talked about as unspeakable horrors you should avoid. poo poo is a mess for a ton of different reasons.

The MRA thought is entirely "women are inherently evil and feminism is the cause of all modern social ills." Nothing is ever that simple.

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The PUA bullshit also sells because it promises all the sex with none of the commitment. It really appeals to people who are uninterested in any sort of connection or who are just tremendously selfish. Or both. It also appeals to people who bought into "women are pure evil" nonsense. The view is that women are only interested in your money and not you at all so just hump'n'dump all day every day.

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Kilano posted:

No, that's not what I said.

I said being poor is one of the worst possible situations you can have. If you are both non-white and poor, that's an even bigger disadvantage.

I do think it's ridiculous to say people living in poverty, even white, are "privileged"

A poor white person is far less likely to be murdered by police than a poor black person, for starters. A poor white person is less likely to get a drug charge that forbids them from getting federal student funding forever. A poor white person is also more likely to be promoted into management than a poor black person.

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