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ATP5G1
Jun 22, 2005
Fun Shoe

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It was a minor point at best in her campaign. She actively ignored the states and towns most ravaged by the current state of affairs, and downplayed fiscal topics the moment the primary was over. . . . You never encountered the constant arguments that New Deal's outcome meant that fiscal leftists couldn't be trusted to support social leftism? What about "Breaking up the banks wont end racism"? Jokes about 'economic anxiety' early after the election whenever it was suggested that racism didn't sweep trump into the office?

The problem is that the data doesn't support your rhetoric. Survey after survey has demonstrated racial animus to be a primary driver of Trump voters. And analysis of Clinton's speeches and rhetoric demonstrate they were overwhelmingly about jobs and fiscal policy. The issue is how her campaign was covered--i.e. significantly less than Trump's, with more consistent criticism compared to her primary opponents and an overwhelming focus on emails.

On racial animus, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and a big summary article here. I mean, you can feel any way you want to about Trump supporters, but just because you feel their primary interests are economic anxiety doesn't mean it's true. In fact, here and here and here discuss that Trump supporters themselves tend to be more well off than those around them. They just feel like everything is terrible.

As for coverage of Clinton--you only need to read here and here for analyses of the media coverage to understand how little Clinton's actual words and policy proposals had to do with what was reported about her.

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ATP5G1
Jun 22, 2005
Fun Shoe

quote:

I don't think that it was an accident that we talk about how men have privilege instead of talking how women are disadvantaged and should have the same opportunities as men.

Uh, we talk about both.

The reason you can't just talk about disadvantages is because inevitably someone barges in saying that Those People Just Need To Work Harder Like I Did. At which point one points out that actually, one's gender/race/religion/etc can confer advantages that others not of that group have.

ATP5G1
Jun 22, 2005
Fun Shoe

Motto posted:

And her campaign should've done something about it or the party not defaulted to a candidate with decades of baggage.

What? Exactly what should they have done? Magically made Trump voters not racist? Magically transformed the media so they didn't talk about her emails? At what point does the media and the populace take responsibility for not giving a poo poo about policy?

edited to add:

The primary issue is that conservatives have spent decades nurturing a propaganda machine that exploited xenophobia, racism, and misogyny to push anti-intellectualism, anti-expertise, distrust for governance, and conspiracy theories. A propaganda machine that was aided by the development of the internet and the flexibility it allowed in developing these communities, and was further expanded by far-right groups and autocrats (i.e. Putin) to advance their political aims.

You could cry about the existence of this machine, you could blame the Left for not having its own machine, or you could start asking exactly why we still tolerate the bigoted attitudes that form the foundation of these movements.

ATP5G1 fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jan 1, 2017

ATP5G1
Jun 22, 2005
Fun Shoe
Pretty sure those fall under the "things only a college student would do" category.

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