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exquisite tea posted:I've been hating the idea of this movie being made for awhile but I'm willing to give it the slightest benefit of the doubt. You've got Villanueve directing and Deakins on cinematography, so at the very least this film is going to be beautiful just to look at. If there's a story to be gleaned from the trailer then I missed it entirely because it all seemed quite vague, more proof of concept than anything expository. I'm sincerely hoping they find something interesting to do with the concept. The look and feel is definitely there. Well, the movie's theme is spelled out in the first part of the trailer in Jared Leto and Robin Wright's monologues. I think reading between the lines gives away what I anticipate is the central hook of the film: Tyrell corp has designed - or is attempting to design - replicants that can produce offspring - perhaps even by pairing with humans.
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There is absolutely no way that neither K or Deckard are revealed to be a replicant in this, and we'll all breathe a sigh of relief if it isn't Deckard. People have spent too much time thinking about this plot twist for there not to be any pressure to finally use it. I guarantee someone involved in the production thinks it's the greatest idea.
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May 9, 2017 09:25
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Neo Rasa posted:You think that's something? The more you learn about Atari the more it seems like the ideal company to show off in this movie. Much like Eldon Tyrell "Atari" as most people would know it hasn't actually made a game or even been alive for about twenty-five years. lol thats actually a short film advertising BMW, one of a series, all directed by well-known directors. heres a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRDEsdYUyE what you're thinking of is driv3r: run the gauntlet. iirc sean mullens directed. heres a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJh7r9sCpWk i guess i can understand conflating them because theyre both lovely ads about cars
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May 9, 2017 10:42
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Vegetable posted:I don't think Denis Villeneuve of all people is going to make this movie squarely as a nostalgic piece, friends. Basically this. Moviegoers seem to have amnesia for the way trailer marketing works and how it often reflects poorly on the final product. This is the opportune time to bring it up as well because Villeneuve's "Arrival" was treated in the exact same way and it turned out to be one of the best science fiction movies in years. Complete opposite of the almost sci-fi-horror-esque action movie the trailer made it out to be. Ignoring the trailer visual and sound editing, what I got out of this was phenomenal cinematography in a really intriguing environment. Along with having a director who's shown that he knows what he's doing and does so with great care. The little bits I've seen from the actors seems solid enough, but realistically none of that can be determined accurately until the movie actually comes out.
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May 9, 2017 12:19
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Wizchine posted:Well, the movie's theme is spelled out in the first part of the trailer in Jared Leto and Robin Wright's monologues. I think reading between the lines gives away what I anticipate is the central hook of the film: Tyrell corp has designed - or is attempting to design - replicants that can produce offspring - perhaps even by pairing with humans. And that was a key part of Replicant Night, which is one of the worst books I've ever read. I really hope that they aren't therefore going to copy its other twist, which is whether you're a replicant or a human is determined by what planet you're on. On the right Martian colonies, regular replicants can breed.
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May 9, 2017 12:34
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I know Jared Leto hath besmirch'd the holy Joker but he's a really superb actor and one of the least disagreeable choices about this movie.
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May 9, 2017 14:03
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I'm trying to figure out why I dislike Leto so much. I think it's because of his band, maybe.
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punchymcpunch posted:lol thats actually a short film advertising BMW, one of a series, all directed by well-known directors. heres a link LMAO Looking at it now you're right, it was just produced by RSA (Ridley Scott Associates), a small commercial production company run by Tony/Ridley. Reading up on it now it seems the BMW ads are what got Atari to get them to do the latter. I see why I got confused, looking at my DVD cover it's clear (and hilariously titled "RUN THE GAUNTLET: A DRIV3R FILM EVENT" even though it's just The Gauntlet everywhere else), but every website talking about it at the time is just like "RIDLEY SCOTT AND TONY SCOTT SIGNED TO MAKE A DRIV3R FILM THIS IS A 'CONVERGENCE FIRST FOR VIDEO GAMES!' "
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Ah, Drivthreer. I worked for a publisher that did some videogame mags when it came out, and the piss-taking of that stupid title (which Atari/Infogrames tried to demand HAD to be used in print, no calling it Driver 3) was non-stop.
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May 9, 2017 17:03
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I am worried this will stray from the original's weird mundanity of Deckard, a guy whose averageness is intentionally off-putting. It seems like K has Plot Mandate through several scene and will solve many problems by running / punching / grimacing hard enough.
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May 9, 2017 17:06
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Zeris posted:I am worried this will stray from the original's weird mundanity of Deckard, a guy whose averageness is intentionally off-putting. It seems like K has Plot Mandate through several scene and will solve many problems by running / punching / grimacing hard enough. I thought it was funny how Deckard says he was good at his job in the trailer since his character in the original is an alcoholic coward who shoots women in the back and is bested by all the other Replicants in a fair fight.
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May 9, 2017 17:18
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What I love about the original BR is how every film element contributes to a layered postmodern critique of late capitalism and what is hinted at in the trailer seems to be an attempt at constructing a mythology or grand arc within the BR universe that doesn't jive with the thematic underpinnings of the original. With that said, I'm basing this off of 15 seconds of footage designed specifically for marketing, so I hope that I'm wrong, but I didn't like the gut feeling I got from the trailer.
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May 9, 2017 17:20
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exquisite tea posted:I thought it was funny how Deckard says he was good at his job in the trailer since his character in the original is an alcoholic coward who shoots women in the back and is bested by all the other Replicants in a fair fight. He's a regular dude fighting superhumans.
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May 9, 2017 17:51
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Wizchine posted:Well, the movie's theme is spelled out in the first part of the trailer in Jared Leto and Robin Wright's monologues. I think reading between the lines gives away what I anticipate is the central hook of the film: Tyrell corp has designed - or is attempting to design - replicants that can produce offspring - perhaps even by pairing with humans. So the plot of Armitage III?
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May 9, 2017 18:30
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exquisite tea posted:I thought it was funny how Deckard says he was good at his job in the trailer since his character in the original is an alcoholic coward who shoots women in the back and is bested by all the other Replicants in a fair fight. Isn't it implied that he has retired a large number of replicants?
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May 9, 2017 23:18
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Yeah he's a burned out retiree when Bryant "recruits" him. He's only on the job because that way the press/etc. won't know that they hosed up bad that several replicants were able to pull off escaping and reaching earth and that a couple of them are strong as gently caress military models.
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May 9, 2017 23:36
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Neo Rasa posted:Yeah he's a burned out retiree when Bryant "recruits" him. He's only on the job because that way the press/etc. won't know that they hosed up bad that several replicants were able to pull off escaping and reaching earth and that a couple of them are strong as gently caress military models. And because he knows the score: if he's not one of them, he's little people.
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May 9, 2017 23:39
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exquisite tea posted:I thought it was funny how Deckard says he was good at his job in the trailer since his character in the original is an alcoholic coward who shoots women in the back and is bested by all the other Replicants in a fair fight. They're not really fair fights, when it's between a regular dude, and a custom built creature that can haul radioactive loads all day.
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May 10, 2017 00:40
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OregonDonor posted:What I love about the original BR is how every film element contributes to a layered postmodern critique of late capitalism and what is hinted at in the trailer seems to be an attempt at constructing a mythology or grand arc within the BR universe that doesn't jive with the thematic underpinnings of the original. I thought the "every great civilization requires a disposable work force" and "the world is built on a wall that separates kind. Tell either side there's no wall, and you've bought a war" seemed to be really leaning in those directions. I kind of got the vibe that the movie is going to be the exploration of a super-stratified society, late capitalism transforming into a new slave society policed by brutal enforcers who don't regard their subjects as human. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your criticism.
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Periodiko posted:I thought the "every great civilization requires a disposable work force" and "the world is built on a wall that separates kind. Tell either side there's no wall, and you've bought a war" seemed to be really leaning in those directions. I kind of got the vibe that the movie is going to be the exploration of a super-stratified society, late capitalism transforming into a new slave society policed by brutal enforcers who don't regard their subjects as human. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your criticism. Exactly. Sure, one of the central themes of Blade Runner is the question "what makes us human?" But the social themes were present as well, and there's nothing to suggest the original question won't be asked again as part of this exploration. I assume it will be rephrased as "what makes a replicant different than a human, especially if this invisible "wall" is being used to justify the commodification and slavery of sentient beings indistinguishable from humans." And the Blade Runner questioning his role as tool of violent social suppression is nothing new either. Wizchine fucked around with this message at 04:16 on May 10, 2017 |
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oversteps posted:I'm trying to figure out why I dislike Leto so much. I think it's because of his band, maybe. Well, it's also because he loving sucks.
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Periodiko posted:I thought the "every great civilization requires a disposable work force" and "the world is built on a wall that separates kind. Tell either side there's no wall, and you've bought a war" seemed to be really leaning in those directions. I kind of got the vibe that the movie is going to be the exploration of a super-stratified society, late capitalism transforming into a new slave society policed by brutal enforcers who don't regard their subjects as human. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your criticism. Oh no, you're totally right, and it was more an observation on my part than criticism, I just hope that the film adheres to the original's ratio of plot versus production design in terms of advancing its themes.
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May 10, 2017 05:06
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The villain/antagonist/jared leto living in a huge, elaborate but empty palace, dressed as a faux hermit, kind of suggests it'll do something like that.
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May 10, 2017 05:13
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This will either be Mad Max: Fury Road levels of good or disappointing poo poo. Nothing in between. I will say something felt off from the trailer to me.
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May 10, 2017 05:45
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punk rebel ecks posted:This will either be Mad Max: Fury Road levels of good or disappointing poo poo. Nothing in between. It's Harrison Ford. I'm sure the producers are thinking about all of that Force Awakens cash that he brought in, but Star Wars and Han Solo are beloved; Blade Runner and Rick Deckard are far more niche.
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May 10, 2017 15:02
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Snowman_McK posted:They're not really fair fights, when it's between a regular dude, and a custom built creature that can haul radioactive loads all day. My point is more that Harrison Ford's character in the original Blade Runner isn't very heroic and is actually kind of lovely, so if they give him the same kind of heroic reverence he got in TFA then it would be a huge misfire.
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May 10, 2017 15:03
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CDHiggs posted:It's Harrison Ford. I'm sure the producers are thinking about all of that Force Awakens cash that he brought in, but Star Wars and Han Solo are beloved; Blade Runner and Rick Deckard are far more niche. I think you're right actually. The rest of the trailer that doesn't involve him is all Villenueve and Scott; wide shots and an interesting color palette, nice set atmospheric set design, etc. Then you get thrown right out of that with Harrison Ford Throws a Punch at a Dude.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This will either be Mad Max: Fury Road levels of good or disappointing poo poo. Nothing in between. That's how these things should ideally work. If you trade off the name of an existing work then you should be able to live up to the expectations. This includes improvements and refinements because otherwise it's just the same thing but less original.
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May 10, 2017 23:27
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Imagining a timeline now where Fury Road is worse than Beyond Thunderdome.
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May 10, 2017 23:38
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Bar Crow posted:That's how these things should ideally work. If you trade off the name of an existing work then you should be able to live up to the expectations. This includes improvements and refinements because otherwise it's just the same thing but less original. This is very accurate.
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May 10, 2017 23:42
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Neo Rasa posted:Imagining a timeline now where Fury Road is worse than Beyond Thunderdome. Halle Berry's character: Must now you must fight in the Thunderdome Royale. Forty men enter. One man leaves.
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Here's the thing about Fury Road: That's ONE guy's baby. He's been majorly hands-on during most of those movies production, being away from Thunderdome due to personal tragedy. Nobody cares more about Mad Max than George Miller. He writes his own EU fanfic for every movie he makes. Every goddamn extra has a story and motivation. Nobody else in the insular world of hollywood gives that much of a gently caress about anything they work for as long as he's been working on Mad Max. Least of all, Ridley Scott. I like Ridley Scott's movies. I even like Kingdom Of Heaven theatrical cut and Robin Hood, but he doesn't care any more. Having him as a producer for this means very little. I like what I've seen of Villenvue but if he cares enough to make this blade runner movie good, he's very probably on his own and likely dealing with people looking to lay the foundation for a cinematic universe or some poo poo.
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exquisite tea posted:My point is more that Harrison Ford's character in the original Blade Runner isn't very heroic and is actually kind of lovely, so if they give him the same kind of heroic reverence he got in TFA then it would be a huge misfire. Interesting that you correlate being good at being a cop with being heroic. I mean, that's the only way to read it as reverance. "I was a cop, I was good at it" said in loaded way by an old man living in complete isolation. Which is a whole lot less inherently praiseworthy than, say, "I need the old blade runner, I need your magic." and less enthusiastic than, say, "You could learn from this guy, Gaff. He's a goddamned one-man slaughterhouse, that's what he is. Four more to go!" Which obviously ignores the context of who says it and how Deckard reacts. The original is built around the idea that Deckard's job is morally questionable at best, and also that Deckard is really loving good at it. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 01:53 on May 11, 2017 |
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Snowman_McK posted:Interesting that you correlate being good at being a cop with being heroic. I mean, that's the only way to read it as reverance. Yeah, and the job isn't any more glamorous this time around. "We keep order," says his boss. Cut to a bloodied Blade Runner examining his gun questioningly.
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IN THE ORIGINAL BLADE RUNNER IT IS RAINING AT ALL TIMES, BUT CURIOUSLY THERE ARE SCENES IN THIS BLADE RUNNER WHERE IT IS NOT RAINING THANK YOU FOR WATCHING CINEMA SINS.
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*posts painstakingly made forty minute youtube video disseminating a fringe theory about an 80's scifi film in the most annoying voice ever recorded*
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Snowman_McK posted:Interesting that you correlate being good at being a cop with being heroic. I mean, that's the only way to read it as reverance. No.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I thought Deckard was a Replicant, why is hr old now? 1) Ford could be playing the human that the replicant Deckard was a copy of, rather than Deckard himself. Recall that Rachel was a prototype with implanted memories taken from an actual human being; she was basically a carbon copy of Tyrell's niece. 2) Deckard could simply have not had a life span limit, like the theatrical cut says Rachel didn't have. The replicants are genetically engineered, so they might just age like normal people anyway if you don't have them automatically die in 4 years. 3) Some other explanation could be made up for it, I dunno?
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I hope they have a ton of individual bits of definitive things that point to both Deckard being a replicant and being human and an equal amount of each.
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