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Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep also heavily implies that the replicants are all based on templates of naturally born humans, and getting replicant replacements for specific pets is commonplace for folks with money.Shageletic posted:I always thought the dates were a way to control beings that were essentially a better version of humanity. This is basically correct. What we glean from all versions of the movie is that the replicants sort of start to lose it after about four years, so the four year lifespan is built into them to help keep them from revolting. But of course as the movie progresses we realize it's less that they "lose it" and more that around age four they start to develop a natural range of emotions beyond what's initially programmed into them, and those new emotions tend to lead to "why am I not being treated the same as any other person." Why was I created only to do lovely work, etc. It gets a little muddy though in an interesting way because in all versions of the movie Tyrell and Batty have a pretty accurate conversation that implies that they literally cannot create a Nexus 6 replicant that can live longer than four years. We don't learn with certainty whether Tyrell is full of poo poo or not but in the theatrical version they say Rachel is special and has no life limit which we assume means she'll age and eventually die the same as a human would. So in the theatrical version Tyrell is full of poo poo, in later versions we don't get a full enough picture about how the more human emotional capacity of the Nexus 6 from their inception to know for sure. In either one the Nexus 6 is them flying too close to the sun, wanting to have it both ways where their replicant is emotionally indistinguishable from a human even under rigorous testing while still being restricted by the life span and still being assigned to dangerous/unpleasant occupations. I think it's interesting how if you watch the documentary about Blade Runner on the final cut, what we see in this trailer and read about the opening of the film is very very very very similar to how Blade Runner was originally planned to begin, but with Gosling where Deckard would have been. Which makes me wonder if Harrison Ford will actually be killed off five minutes in. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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Basebf555 posted:Ford is securing his retirement, going from franchise to franchise and making sure his character gets killed off so that nobody can bother him when he's in his 80s. All he needs to do now is get killed in the upcoming Indiana Jones sequel. Then just when he least expects it, The Mosquito Coast 2049 enters production.
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Awesome Welles posted:The Final Cut.
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LMAO if it's really just like that original intro though. In the original concept you see a figure walking across a massive converted flatland kind of area like that (IIRC vast farmland, with so much of the US irradiated it's concentrated into these automated agriculture centers or whatever) who then enters a home where a guy is stirring some soup. That also figures with when Ford was first announced and it was said that his role would be very small. I'm assuming his death is the catalyst for whatever goes down in the movie.
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Bugblatter posted:But he already died in the first one! That was just his templant. 
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The Final Cut is absolutely the best version of the movie but Blade Runner was my favorite movie of all time even before I saw the Director's Cut in the 90s and the Final Cut in the 00s. But if one doesn't plan on re-watching flicks often I'd watch the Final Cut. If you get a release of the Final Cut with all the extras included, one thing that's interesting is that you can watch all the weird deleted scenes in one chronological block. So it's like this bizarre 40 minute first draft of the movie with a bunch of locations and things you don't get in any released version of it. The multi-hour making of documentary is pretty nuts too. I don't think the Final Cut makes it hard to argue Deckard isn't a replicant, rather it makes it hard to argue what he is one way or the other which I think is more effective. I saw as screening of one of my favorite cheesy movies, Trancers, tonight, and they played the Blade Runner 2049 trailer before it which was great to see on the big screen. It's very very very pretty.
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I'm more surprised about someone warming up to Ghost in the Shell.
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EW photos suck horribly even in the teaser Gosling is wearing a coat that fits right in.
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Scott only gave a definitive answer to that in an interview like 25 years after the movie came out because people kept asking for a straight answer over and over again. Ever previously like when the director's cut first came out he always talked about Deckard being a replicant in terms of that being an interesting idea and a mystery worth thinking about as in there not being a definitive answer. And despite what he's decades after the fact I think the Final Cut still supports that. It's not saying Deckard = literally a replicant but that it's not totally possible to tell, does it even matter, etc. The extra lines they added back in from Gaff in the Final Cut don't end with "There's a 90% chance Deckard's a replicant because you the audience saw 6 things that support that and only 4 things against," they end with "hard to tell who's who around here." If anything the Director's Cut makes a stronger case for him being a replicant than the Final Cut because the Final Cut fixes the continuity error where Bryant corrects him about how many replicants are left (in the DC and theatrical he gives one number extra, this was referring to a cut character named Mary but in the film it, like the unicorn dream makes you wonder about Deckard himself and why Bryant feels the need to bring this up). The point is that there isn't an easy answer to "what makes us human." Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Eight years of MCU movies has us ever-wary that what we're seeing in the trailer is just Deckard's Living Model Decoy and not a real human, wait a minute... There is fan speculation that the Deckard we see here is human but whose attributes and memories were used as a template for the Deckard we see in Blade Runner. But honestly I think you're right and that that's not the case. Were Blade Runner adapted more closely to the plot of the book I'd agree with it, since its explicit in the book that most replicants are based on specific people, but in the movie the Nexus 6 replicants are special because they have memory implants, so this wasn't a typical thing outside of this first wave of them that got made. Ideally they make a compelling film that, whatever answers is does provide, still doesn't quite give us a full picture on Deckard himself because that would be pretty impressive. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:"I've kept myself alive just so I could meet you, Ryan Gosling. Now that my dream is achieved, I can die. Also, I thought Lost River was a great film." "I used to have your job as the sexiest man alive. I was a good at it."
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Pycckuu posted:Ryan Gosling will shoot Harrison Ford in the face and nuts and bolts will come out. Everyone will rage on how the unneeded sequel ruined the mystery of the original, none louder than ya boy right here Pycckuu. My literal dream scenario for the movie is that this happens like two minutes into the flick without comment from Gosling/etc. and Deckard is specifically referred to as a human being by him even after his death for maximum nerd rage.
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I never saw John Wick, is it a music video like energetic and colorful or like everything is desaturated? Why is either good or bad?Young Freud posted:So, it will finally live up to the promise of the comic book adaptation's cover... Always found it funny that Blade Runner's world of all things have never had a cool comic iteration given how influenced it was by comics. There was an official comic adaptation of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep that was also fuckin' awful.
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Obviously. I just think it's weird so much ripped it off yet the thing itself didn't get more of a presence. Even video game wise, I mean this was an era where stuff like Hudson Hawk and Elvira got official video games. Nightbreed of all things has two totally unrelated official games. There was to be a Name of the Rose game (ended up being a ripoff released as Abbey of Crime, one of the best games ever made). There's Perry Mason video games. Basically anything went at the time. The C64 Blade Runner game isn't actually even "official" official as they only had the $ to license the credits song. The full title of the game is ""Bladerunner" - A Game Based on the Music of Vangelis"  and it's quite bad.I know the movie didn't do well and was semi-forgotten until the director's cut leaked but dang. We finally got an awesome Blade Runner game in 1998.
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Bugblatter posted:An Umberto Eco based videogame exists. MonsieurChoc posted:Holy poo poo what!!?? For some context about how awesome that game was for its time, it was an overhead adventure game where the investigative monk and his protege (their names are changed to Gille and Adso) explore the monastery and interact with the various monks/find items/etc. to figure out what's up. What makes it unique is that everyone moves around in real time, and you lose the game by getting kicked out for poking around into things for too long. But obviously they can't be like "Sorry you're investigating these murders too well so get out" so instead there's a realistic real time schedule of meals, prayer services, etc. throughout each of the seven days the game takes place over. The more you're late for or miss stuff like that the more suspicious certain characters get until eventually you get kicked out under the guise of disrespecting God for being late to too many services. You can control both Gille and Adso, but what they did was have the AI for Adso automatically attend everything properly, so if you get lost or whatever you can just follow him which was pretty smart of the developers. Anyway the game is cool and all of this was accomplished on an Amstrad CPC in like 1987. 
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A CG version of one of the replicants from the original film may appear in the movie: http://screencrush.com/blade-runner-2049-rumors/ Ideally it's a de-aged Harrison Ford but both are only ever referred to as being human throughout for maximum nerd anger. Realistically though this will probably be used briefly in a dream sequence or something.
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I'm still convinced Ford is going to die like ten minutes into the movie and/or otherwise be out of action for all of it. Not knowing whether or not he was human will play a part in setting the plot into motion but it will lead to other stuff happening instead of his origin being resolved.
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Full trailer drops on Monday.
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New trailer is here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCcx85zbxz4
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From what I was reading earth is very very depopulated like in the book outside of a few major urban centers and, like in the book, the eccentricity that comes with that isolation comes through with the folks with the means. In the book it's very clear that anyone living on earth at all is basically a loser and not all there in some way no matter who they are. It might be interesting if that's what they're going for with him. But it also seems just as relevant, Tyrell is a cold braniac, oblivious to any of the implications of what he's done beyond them making an even more advanced servant, but when you look at the way Silicon Valley douchebags talk about themselves and their visions today, like, what we see of Leto is exactly what someone with the money and space would do if we got so advanced that someone could straight up create life on par with the replicants we see in Blade Runner. Again I'm blind to the movie outside of the trailers and the old rumors but the way we see him here feels more like the logical endpoint of where Tyrell would be going if he didn't get killed. I'm really happy with how beautiful it looks. It doesn't have the same look as the original but the original was made thirty-five years ago. Even if Scott directed it himself and the same set/effects/etc. people were all back working on it it wouldn't look like the first movie.
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Snowman_McK posted:As said, it was product placement at the time. It was relevant because they were a company who wanted you to buy their products. Now it's an easter egg, especially since they haven't released a game in 9 years or so, and when they did, they didn't use their logo that way. It's a retro future easter egg, and you're angry because it used to be product placement. It's like you're upset that it no longer has a commercial purpose. You think that's something? The more you learn about Atari the more it seems like the ideal company to show off in this movie. Much like Eldon Tyrell "Atari" as most people would know it hasn't actually made a game or even been alive for about twenty-five years. Around 2002-ish, the European company Infograemes purchased the name itself and changed their name to Atari to coast on its reputation. After releasing several high profile flops through out the 00s they were reduced to just a brand yet again as the sold off/couldn't renew more and more licenses as time went on, Only in the past three years have been successfully selling compilations of their ("their" as in thirty+ year old games no one at the company had any involvement in in any context in any way) classic games on modern consoles and those plug and play TV anthologies along with the aforementioned casino stuff. One of those properties, and their most infamous and controversial (they paid a bunch of companies to give the game ridiculously high review scores and praise when the game was unfinished absolute dogshit) flop is Driver 3, or Driv3r as it was officially titled. Part of the massive marketing done for Driv3r at the time included a ten minute short film I somehow still possess the DVD of. A live action affair of some woman hiring a dude to steal and transport stolen sports cars followed by a brief chase scene. It was directed by Tony Scott and produced by Ridley Scott. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 07:06 on May 9, 2017 |
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punchymcpunch posted:lol thats actually a short film advertising BMW, one of a series, all directed by well-known directors. heres a link LMAO Looking at it now you're right, it was just produced by RSA (Ridley Scott Associates), a small commercial production company run by Tony/Ridley. Reading up on it now it seems the BMW ads are what got Atari to get them to do the latter. I see why I got confused, looking at my DVD cover it's clear (and hilariously titled "RUN THE GAUNTLET: A DRIV3R FILM EVENT" even though it's just The Gauntlet everywhere else), but every website talking about it at the time is just like "RIDLEY SCOTT AND TONY SCOTT SIGNED TO MAKE A DRIV3R FILM THIS IS A 'CONVERGENCE FIRST FOR VIDEO GAMES!' "
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Yeah he's a burned out retiree when Bryant "recruits" him. He's only on the job because that way the press/etc. won't know that they hosed up bad that several replicants were able to pull off escaping and reaching earth and that a couple of them are strong as gently caress military models.
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IN THE ORIGINAL BLADE RUNNER IT IS RAINING AT ALL TIMES, BUT CURIOUSLY THERE ARE SCENES IN THIS BLADE RUNNER WHERE IT IS NOT RAINING THANK YOU FOR WATCHING CINEMA SINS.
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I hope they have a ton of individual bits of definitive things that point to both Deckard being a replicant and being human and an equal amount of each.
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When all seems lost and Jared Leto is about to do whatever Deckard gasps "Unicorn power!" with his last breath and a bunch of unicorns trample the bad guys like in that Perry Bible Fellowship comic.
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I was just thinking of how awful all of the fan-made blu-ray covers for this are going to be, I mean it's Blade Runner AND Ryan Gosling.
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I'm still hoping his simple costuming is an indication that he's only going to actually be in the movie for like ten minutes. Like he has information/whatever that sets the plot in motion but it's not really about him beyond that.
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exquisite tea posted:Yeah, I'm just worried they're going to give him the Han Solo treatment instead of the rightful Actually Deckard Kind of Sucks one. I was actually impressed that they made Han Solo a lovely person in Force Awakens. He's a professional smuggler of illegal poo poo and a total failure as a father and is shown to literally only be in his element when he has an opportunity to sneak into something (the Starkiller base). They make a point to say that rescuing Rey/etc. instances of doing the right thing was Finn's idea. EU Han Solo sucks because he's this warm guy with a heart of gold that has fallen into bad times now and then, I was glad that with Force Awakens they kept him as he is in the OT, a lovely person who was able to rise to the occasion for his friends. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 12, 2017 |
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It's a moment that was lost in time.
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Time to die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pBOInBf1KY
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With Blade Runner's aesthetic's roots coming from 70s and early early 80s French comics I'm not surprised to see the sequel potentially still using "Oriental stuff" as a signifier for being in an exotic world beleaguered white people must put up with.
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Wizchine posted:So if the film has a bunch of east asians, it's racist. On the other hand, if it has a paucity of east asians, it's racist. Cacator posted:That is my understanding. LMAO I'm speaking more of the music and ambiance but sure okay.
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In a surprise twist Gosling's character is a Nexus 5 model, but no one notices. If he was Nexus 6 he'd be human enough to stand out.
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Maybe both a human and replicant Gosling feature prominently and the trailer just doesn't make that obvious. Like in Dead Ringers we're not sure from scene to scene which one is a human and which one is just a ghost...in the shell.
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exquisite tea posted:The asian influence in Blade Runner came out of a period where Japan's consumer goods economy was dominant and China was just emerging as a manufacturing powerhouse, why is why Atari and Toshiba seemingly rule the world in 2019 Los Angeles. It was their attempt to predict how cultures would blend in the future. Of course, but growing up at the time this was always couched in terms of "those drat Japanese/Chinese (often used interchangeably) people took over," and I'm sure that's effected how I look at movies (even one like Blade Runner which is my favorite movie ever). It's hard for me to not get that vibe from almost anything made during what was the peak Japan bashing period of modern times.
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Wizchine posted:I never got that vibe from Blade Runner though. My feeling is the popular media push-back came a little later. Gung Ho was released in 1986, Ridley Scott's own Black Rain is from 1989, and the penultimate was Rising Sun, published in 1992 You can see examples of the popular media pushback as early as 1981, where only a white dude was noble enough to master Japanese arts and use them for justice in Enter the Ninja, which started the juxtaposition of Japan bashing and holy poo poo ninja are the coolest thing throughout the 80s in the US. I was still in Brooklyn at the time myself, which is a super diverse place on paper, but in practice especially at the time practically had visible borders from neighborhood to neighborhood and I grew up in Bensonhurst which was peak a "drat all these Asians taking over our fair city!" kind of place.* So a lot of media that I'm sure wasn't intended to be would be treated as it was and discussed with me as if it was when I was a kid. Japan bashing wasn't in the may not have been in the mainstream media as much until the mid 80s and early 90s, but you could definitely say it was a thing from the late 70s to the early 90s even if Gung Ho/etc. wasn't out yet and there wasn't evening news footage of people sledgehammering Toyota cars. Anyway to bring this back to Blade Runner and the sometimes Orientalist roots of its own aesthetic, that's all I was talking about, not that there are too many white people in either movie or whatever people were saying. I wonder if this sequel ended up getting pushed back/didn't happen for a few year we'd be getting a straight adaptation of the novel Blade Runner instead - cool thriller about a "Blade Runner" one of several agents who smuggle medical supplies to back alley street docs in a world where only the super rich can afford healthcare. *Hilariously despite there having been a sizable Chinese population there literally forever, there are people that still feel this way. When I worked there again the early 2010s you'd see like 14 year old kids already randomly like "these drat Chinese are taking over," a whole new generation. :/ I forget the name, China Girl? The Abel Ferrara movie that was Romeo and Juliet set in Chinatown/Little Italy, should be required viewing in schools.
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:Also if it had a different title I don't know how I would be able to to tell it wasn't Total Recall 2 It looking like a sequel to a popular Philip K. Dick adaptation is not necessarily a fault. 
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SUNKOS posted:Villeneuve wanted to leave it ambiguous, but then Ridley happened: Scott is a national treasure for the delivery of that anecdote.
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