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Yeah, I always thought the point of the original film is, whether or not Deckard is physically a replicant, spiritually, he's not really a human. He's little more than a job and the tools to do it. The parallel with the photographs is making the point that Humanity (as a concept) is regressing, while the replicants are aggressively asserting their own humanity. We're passing each other.
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Xealot posted:Though less ambitious than I'd prefer, John Wick also rules. A version of John Wick shot by Deakins sounds amazing. John Wick is also super pretty.
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Ammanas posted:I wouldn't describe it as pretty, it's aesthetic feels too much like a music video but it generally works well. Well, at least you didn't say video game.
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exquisite tea posted:There's a lot of talent surrounding this production on paper, and if they truly manage to do something new and inventive with the subject material, then I'll be pleasantly surprised. Just like how everybody remembers the Total Recall reboot. Or Robocop. Or that last Terminator movie. Hey, the Robocop remake was a good film about drone warfare, and somehow made its statement better far better than a film whose plot centres on drone warfare.
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Jan 6, 2017 11:19
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See, this is the problem with making a sequel/reimagining to a really beloved movie. On the one hand, you can just slavishly try to recreate the original, and be dismissed as revering the matrial too much. On the other, you can try to do your own thing and have people complain that it's not exactly like the old thing. I don't need it to have dirty, Ridley Scott style photography or Tyrell being cold because the original, nearly forty years ago, had that. I want Villeneuve's take. Not his Ridley Scott imitation.
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May 9, 2017 01:30
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The_Rob posted:But that's the issue, is it really his take? The first shot is a giant Atari logo, when is he last time they have actually been relevant. that's weird as poo poo to me. It'd be more refreshing if the premise was just New Deckard and old Deckard sit in a barren wasteland and have a two hour conversation. I'm not writing this movie off but it just still seems like fanboys are behind it. I have no idea how you've connected the deliberately anachronistic Atari logo with it being a fanboy movie.
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May 9, 2017 05:33
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The_Rob posted:The Atari logo is in the original kind of hidden away as a cute little Easter egg in 1982 when they are actually relevant to the world. This new trailer opens with an Atari logo that takes up 95 percent of the screen in 2017. As said, it was product placement at the time. It was relevant because they were a company who wanted you to buy their products. Now it's an easter egg, especially since they haven't released a game in 9 years or so, and when they did, they didn't use their logo that way. It's a retro future easter egg, and you're angry because it used to be product placement. It's like you're upset that it no longer has a commercial purpose. Actually, it turns out they may have new games out, but, honestly, the answer is sadder than 'no games' "On June 22, 2014, Atari announced a new corporate strategy that would include a focus on "new audiences", specifically "LGBT, social casinos, real-money gambling, and YouTube".[49]" Having 'LGBT' right next to 'social casinos' suggests they're even more behind the times than you might have thought. They're a perfect emblem of a future gone wrong. They're retrofuture cyberpunk now.
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May 9, 2017 06:16
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Neo Rasa posted:You think that's something? The more you learn about Atari the more it seems like the ideal company to show off in this movie. Atari hasn't actually made a game in about twenty-five years. This is insane. The more I read about the behind the scenes of video games, the more amazing it is that anything ever gets made.
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May 9, 2017 07:04
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exquisite tea posted:I thought it was funny how Deckard says he was good at his job in the trailer since his character in the original is an alcoholic coward who shoots women in the back and is bested by all the other Replicants in a fair fight. They're not really fair fights, when it's between a regular dude, and a custom built creature that can haul radioactive loads all day.
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May 10, 2017 00:40
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The villain/antagonist/jared leto living in a huge, elaborate but empty palace, dressed as a faux hermit, kind of suggests it'll do something like that.
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exquisite tea posted:My point is more that Harrison Ford's character in the original Blade Runner isn't very heroic and is actually kind of lovely, so if they give him the same kind of heroic reverence he got in TFA then it would be a huge misfire. Interesting that you correlate being good at being a cop with being heroic. I mean, that's the only way to read it as reverance. "I was a cop, I was good at it" said in loaded way by an old man living in complete isolation. Which is a whole lot less inherently praiseworthy than, say, "I need the old blade runner, I need your magic." and less enthusiastic than, say, "You could learn from this guy, Gaff. He's a goddamned one-man slaughterhouse, that's what he is. Four more to go!" Which obviously ignores the context of who says it and how Deckard reacts. The original is built around the idea that Deckard's job is morally questionable at best, and also that Deckard is really loving good at it. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 01:53 on May 11, 2017 |
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It's cool that RLM saves people the trouble of having to come up with their own opinions.
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I've never seen a film that captured quite so accurately why offices are horrifying to me as a working environment.. The Double is absolutely fantastic.
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What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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Xenomrph posted:I am an unwashed plebeian, as I've never heard Orson Welles' sick burns. "I hate Woody Allen physically, I dislike that kind of man. I can hardly bear to talk to him. He has the Chaplin disease. That particular combination of arrogance and timidity sets my teeth on edge. He is arrogant. Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in company is unbelievably arrogant. He acts shy, but he’s not. He’s scared. He hates himself, and he loves himself, a very tense situation. It’s people like me who have to carry on and pretend to be modest. To me, it’s the most embarrassing thing in the world—a man who presents himself at his worst to get laughs, in order to free himself from his hang-ups. Everything he does on the screen is therapeutic." It's probably this one, which I had heard previous attributed to David Niven. Either way, it's pretty loving savage.
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Samuel Clemens posted:I think my favourite thing about this quote is Welles of all people talking about pretending to be modest. Hey, if I made a movie that rewrote cinematic language at age 12 or whatever he was, I'd never shut up about it either. I mean, there's a bit of projection in that quote, undoubtedly, but I think he's on the mark about Allen. Many years ago, Allen was presenting some Oscar, and he opened with 'when the Academy called me, my first thought was 'oh no, they want them back.' which is a fine, albeit bland joke. He then follows up with a stuttering 'because I've won a few times.' It's a perfect synergy of something that sounds like self deprecation, but is a boast. The kids now even have a word for it, a humble-brag. BarronsArtGallery posted:Are you not entertained?! No.
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Samuel Clemens posted:Don't get me wrong, Welles has every right to be an arrogant prick considering his accomplishments. I just find the quote funny because I've never heard an example of him being particularly humble. It makes sense that a genuinely arrogant person (arrogant about real accomplishments, at least) would have no idea how to be humble.
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Random Integer posted:Welles never struck me as being particularly arrogant. He was a big, boisterous guy who liked to talk, and he lived he a fascinating life so he had a lot to talk about. But he had a fine line in self-deprecating humour and never seemed to take himself too seriously in any interviews Ive seen or read with him. That's fair. Arrogant is the wrong word and I withdraw it. Insanely accomplished and not shy about talking about it is a better description, but I don't think there's a word for that.
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Origami Dali posted:Leto is just serviceable as a pretentious next gen tech douche. I thought that's what made it work. He's playing someone who's building off the work of someone who was much better than him in the movie.
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Xealot posted:Also, the delusions of grandeur kind of worked for me. Leto himself comes off as incredibly self-impressed, so playing a tech bro who thinks he's a God-king actually makes a lot of sense. Though, yeah, Bowie would've been cool as gently caress. Maybe they should've leaned into that and cast Tilda Swinton. Along with how Leto only ever boasts and soliloquises to people he's created who are subservient to him. Deckard shuts him down almost instantly when they talk. He's not supposed to be someone impressive. There's a level on which it works as a metaphor for the immense reverence the original film is held in, which was made by people who were just making a movie.
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"I know you are but what am I" I shout into the formless void. Across the infinite cold reaches of space comes a voice. "Takes one to know one"
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Tenzarin posted:She didn't actually drop that plot point. The police chief says, find and kill this child because if it is alive, a war will happen. IE a rebellion! It is basically the entire plot of the movie. I think it's the core of their first exchange. It's the point of 'you tell people there's a line... '
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That even assumes that Blade Runners have to be good to start with. If you look at present day ICE in the US, do you think it's composed of the best and brightest? Or just people who are vicious enough to want to do that kind of work?
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Sir Kodiak posted:Similarly, hired hitmen. Idiot fuckups in general. There are jobs that don't require a huge amount of skill, but require a fair bit of desperation to do. That was the cliche I was saddest to realise wasn't true. The top notch assassin who lives in a mansion not only doesn't live in a mansion, he's not top notch. Chances are he's just a poor kid they've handed a machine gun.
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Neo Rasa posted:Wallace never comes off as someone who would command that of respect. He's never shown to command that kind of respect, though.
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Neo Rasa posted:He commands such a massively insane amount of respect that he's able to send his prize replicant to literally just stroll into a police station and murder folks/etc. with zero repercussions to either him or even his replicant (and when you compare that to how replicants are treated in the film in general?). I mean corporations rule the world today and the earth in the movie is a broken place that people are leaving, but even without that in mind think about what a line that crosses. That's power, which is tangible, and could easily be the product of his immense wealth and his position, as opposed to personal respect, which is what I was responding to. Trump has a lot of power, and 29 people died because of him in his first week. Would you say he commands respect? GrandpaPants posted:I think I would have liked to see Benedict Wong in the Wallace role. But really, more Benedict Wong and less Jared Leto in general. Wong is fantastic, and I want to see him in more things.
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K references, a couple of times, that his memories are fake. He knows they're implanted, but they still have their effect. It's a nice idea that his generation can see the form of control, and seems to accept it themselves. Dovetails nicely with the implanted memories of the child.
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