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OwlFancier posted:Again with the gun-communism.  quote:Large factories are owned by the men and women who work the factories.
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Guavanaut posted:Just classical Marxism really. Yeah but I don't remember the communist manifesto being 50% about how The Gun Is Good.
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I still can't get over that the right-wing utopia is literally cribbed from Marx's theory of the stages of history with gun porn, Supply Side Jesus and fanatical secret suicide squads added to the mix.
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This is clearly Soviet agit-prop designed to appeal to the American gun lobby.
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I want to know how this minimalist government is enforcing all these nitpicky zoning and traffic rules, and how the law is supposed to be both simple and incredibly detailed.
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The details are laid out in bulletpoints and Simple English. It's a simple and detailed law, but very long. I am loving this. We built communism, but I'll shoot every God-drat commie I see!
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poisonpill posted:This is clearly Soviet agit-prop designed to appeal to the American gun lobby.  Reporting this to the House Un-American Activities Comission. JcDent posted:The details are laid out in bulletpoints and Simple English. It's a simple and detailed law, but very long. And no loving Latin, like the founding fathers intended!
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pookel posted:I want to know how this minimalist government is enforcing all these nitpicky zoning and traffic rules, and how the law is supposed to be both simple and incredibly detailed. They have "peacekeepers" they don't like calling them police. And they don't have many of them. Part of it I assume is vigilante enforcement of minor crimes. Like if some guy is sexually harassing you are allowed to beat the poo poo out of them. Or the guy who gets a busted jaw for burning leaves.
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Throwing Turtles posted:They have "peacekeepers" they don't like calling them police. And they don't have many of them. Part of it I assume is vigilante enforcement of minor crimes. Like if some guy is sexually harassing you are allowed to beat the poo poo out of them. Or the guy who gets a busted jaw for burning leaves. Ahhh... so all the criminals are "punching up", so to speak. No one victimizes anyone weaker than themselves in this Ben's world. Thats... uhhhhh... a thing?
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pookel posted:I want to know how this minimalist government is enforcing all these nitpicky zoning and traffic rules, and how the law is supposed to be both simple and incredibly detailed. Well, as the proletarian revolution clearly has done away with class antagonism, the State, as it is an instrument of the dominant class, has withered away in accordance with the laws of Historical Materialism.
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Chichevache posted:Ahhh... so all the criminals are "punching up", so to speak. No one victimizes anyone weaker than themselves in this Ben's world. Thats... uhhhhh... a thing? Yeah, the example where the philanderer is killed by the cheated-on husband really should have ended with the guy shooting the husband in the back as he went to go for his gun.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, the example where the quote:“One fellow was messin’ with another man’s wife. He kept messin’ with her even though as witnesses pointed out, the woman told him, time after time, to leave her alone. She finally went to her husband and told him. The husband warned the man--once. The warning didn’t take. The husband called the man out one afternoon; told him he was going to beat the hell out of him. Romeo came out with a gun in his hand. Bad mistake. Husband killed him.” FTFY. Note how, despite the supposed total gender equality of the Tri-States (points for author for trying, I guess?) it's still considered by everyone to be the husband's job to prevent his wife from being "messed with" and it seems to be considered an offense against the husband, not the wife. I don't even know if this is supposed to mean flirting, sexual harassment, or outright rape. Whatever, it's not important I guess?
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Chapter 6 After the chaos dies down, the press asks a few pertinent questions. quote:“You can’t be serious?” A young reporter yelled the questioning statement. His tone betrayed his shock out outrage “That’s murder!” The size of the army quote:“Mr. Raines, is the size of your army secret?” Press conference is over. Tri-states becomes a tourist spot, we learn that a dozen major industrial conglomerates moved into the Tri-states, and things generally return to normal. We also learn about bankruptcy. quote:In the Tri-states, if a family fell behind in their bills, they could go to a state-operated counseling service for help… if that family was making a genuine effort to pay their bills, utilities could not be cut off, automobiles could not be taken from them, furniture could not be repossessed. A system of payment would be worked out. There were no collection agencies in the Tri-states. On the other side of the country we join a cartoon supervillian quote:“No!” President Logan said. “For the last time, I will not send any person from this good office to talk with the illegal governor of an illegal state. No!” Hilton continues his diabolical plan to kill the Indians and the Tri-states. Nine years have past and we see that the world is doing pretty good. quote:The United States, for the most part, was recovering quickly. Nine years had passed since the nuke and germ holocaust. The people had adjusted to the fact that several major cities were gone, and there were areas they could never visit, or their children. People had adjusted to the relocation and their lives… and once more listening to the rumors of war coming out of Richmond. Things have been normalized. The Tri-states have radio in a variety of formats. The telephone company asked for equipment to be returned in exchange for hooking up service between the Tri-States. Minor historical note, before 1982 there was only one telephone company, and they acted like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIOogEaO3Hc Logan began gearing up for the war on the Indians and the Tri-states by cracking down on all of the areas he controlled. Then he called Ben. quote:”Governor. . .” Ben’s secretary buzzed him. “It’s President Logan.” Telephone protocol is intense. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38202271 They quickly hash out the details of the meeting. It will take place in the U.S. capitol, but everybody gets to be armed. Ben thinks that the meeting is being set to provide justification for an invasion. Also Salina, Ben’s wife, is pregnant. Ben’s reception is, as Trump would put it, a total disrespect, like a dog, sad. quote:“No brass bands? No red carpet? No throngs of cheering people?” Ben asked. “My you people don’t like me very much do you?” It’s from a poem by anonymous. All I can find out is that there are two versions of the poem that differ by a single word. To act on the square and be right. It’s a reward enough to know you’re a man, To hear people say, “He’s a knight” or To hear people say, “He’s white” http://poetrynook.com/poem/gate-end-things Seven As everybody is being introduced and shaking hands. Ben’s inner monologue brings us up to speed. quote:Ben shook hands with Logan and smiled a grim smile at General Russell. The two men immediately understood each other’s position; Ben realized that while America had a president, Logan shared the power with the military. Ben knew then why free elections had been postponed year after year. The military was setting up to take over total control of America. The rumors his intelligence people had intercepted and decoded were true. But Ben also knew there was discord among the military; not all commanders wanted the military involved in government, and the troops were taking sides...quietly. Politeness out of the way, they begin to negotiate. Logan offers to let the Tri-states rejoin the union under the condition that Ben’s dictatorship ends. Also quote:“You must fall in line with the other forty-seven.” The negotiations are unsuccessful, Logan vows to destroy the Tri-states. While the Tri-states are getting ready for the siege we learn that Canada is still a thing. quote:The Canadian Government cooperated only half-heartedly with Logan’s requests to seal off their borders; Ben and his people had gotten along well with the new Canadian government. But in the end, it went along with Logan. Logan starts by attacking the Indians, telling them they will have to return to reservation lands. The Indians refuse. quote:“No.” Jeb Fargo, of Illinois Nazi fame is leading the attack against the Indians. Also the unending stream of rape had quieted down for a few chapters and he needed to bring it back. quote:“And we’re next,” Salina said. The war against the Indians is successful, and genocidal. Meanwhile in the Tri-states. quote:“Get your people into position and booby-trap everything you leave behind. Everything. Posion the water. Turn everything into a lethal weapon--a deathtrap. I want these sons of bitches to remember these next few weeks. You all know the drill. As soon as government troops touch the soil of the Tri-states, we move into guerrilla tactics. No Prisoners.” He turned to Voltan.
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pookel posted:FTFY.  "Alright, partner. If you rape my wife one more time..."
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Voltan? Any relation to Zoltan?
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pookel posted:Voltan? Any relation to Zoltan? 
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Wait, it's been 9 years since the bombs dropped. Ben has a 17 year old daughter.
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PJOmega posted:Wait, it's been 9 years since the bombs dropped. Ben has a 17 year old daughter. She was adopted, there was a blurb about how everybody in the Tri-states adopted kids, I just forgot to mention her and her adopted brother.
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pookel posted:I want to know how this minimalist government is enforcing all these nitpicky zoning and traffic rules, and how the law is supposed to be both simple and incredibly detailed. Also their approach to science is akin to Lysenkoism
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Taerkar posted:Also their approach to science is akin to Lysenkoism That's true Communism right there.
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I'm more wondering how national corporations are moving into the tri state when all industry is owned by a workers co-operative? What do the national corps do there?
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Eightquote:Keep it; it tells all our history over, Johnstone likes this quote, it's popped up in some of his later books. I'm not entirely sure who the source is supposed to be. There is a confederate Major General Samuel Jones. But the only place I can find the quote is in the books so.  The invasion of the Tri-states has begun, and it’s not going well. The Air Force has refused to bomb them and the rest of the military is divided on the issue. The SEALs refused to clear bridges, Pathfinders have all defected. quote:“They started out at ten thousand feet and moved down to five hundred. There has not been a shot fired at any of them. We have not had one hostile move against us from the residents of the Tri-states. There are warm, breathing bodies in there--everywhere but we don’t know if they are friendly, hostile, young, old, male, or female.” quote:The first few companies of marines and their spearheaders, the force recon, hit the edge of the strip and died there. The area had been softened up with artillery and heavy-mortar fire, but Ben’s people were in tunneled bunkers, and when the shelling stopped, up they popped. Ben has resorted to some creative combat ideas. quote:Earlier, the medical people in the Tri-states had discovered packs of rabid animals and captured them, keeping them alive as long as possible, transferring the infected cultures into the bloodstreams of every warm blooded animal they could find. The day the invasion began, the animals were turned loose all over the area. It was cruel. Isn’t war always?” This seems like a really bad idea. quote:The government troops began their search-and-destroy missions. They entered hospitals and nursing homes and found the patients had been armed. The very old and sick and dying fought just as savagely as the young and strong and healthy. Old people with tubes hanging from their bodies, some barely able to crawl, hurled grenades and shot at the special troops. And the young men in their jump boots and berets and silver wings wept as they killed the old people. Tough marines cried at the carnage. quote:The universal soldier syndrome came home to many of the troops: without us, you can’t have a war. quote:The troops could not drink any of the water found in the Tri-states. Dr. Chase had infected it with everything from cholera to forms of anthrax. What follows is several pages of war from the point of view of some random unnamed U.S. soldier. It’s written to be an unglamorous hellish experience of somebody who’s following orders, and winning, on the wrong side of a war. It’s not that bad, it’s just really long. At one point a few soldiers stop in the middle of a firefight to get their rape on, which kicks you out of the scene. Nine quote:By dusk of the thirty-fifth day, the heaviest fighting was behind the government troops. The pincers had closed, and most of the Tri-states was secure. But the price paid for victory had been cruelly high. The U.S. troops are mopping up, everything is booby trapped but for some reason they feel they have to check each structure instead of just blowing it up. In the mountains the characters with names prepare their last stand. quote:Salina came to his side, slipping her hands into his. They were both grimy from gunsmoke and dirt and sweat. Ben thought she had never looked more beautiful than during her pregnancy; she had stood like a dusty Valkyrie by his side, firing an M-16 during the heaviest of the fighting. For some reason Dr.Chase examines the fetus. quote:“Boy,” he said. Perfectly normal. All his fingers and toes. Her complexion, your eyes. Bayonet went right through him.” But all the bullets after apparently missed. The fighting continues till Ben is wounded and passes out, most everybody else is dead. Ten Three months after the Tri-states’ defeat, the zero squads start their work. There’s a list of assassinations of people whose only defining characteristic is that they have a name. And a couple of relevant ones. quote:Dallas Valentine and the first lady, Fran Logan, lay moaning and thrashing on the bed, both of them reaching for the final pinnacle of climax. Neither of them heard the door swinging open. They were enjoying the mutual climax as the Rebel with the silenced submachine gun sprayed them with .45-caliber slugs, turning the silk sheets red with blood. quote:Ben Raines gazed at the reflection of his face and upper torso in the still waters of the little creek in northern Idaho. He said,” “Lord, man, you look like you’ve been dissected and rejected.” Epilogue quote:And now, it was time: Ben would give the orders and guerrilla warfare would once more shake the country, and possibly, the rebuilding world. This brings us to the end of book one. It's the one I remembered the least of, and is actually fairly different from how I remember the rest of the series. It's the best of the series for a couple of reasons. In this book he actually tried to present a few different perspectives even if he didn't do the best job of it. He points out that black people have a different experience then white people and take a lot of poo poo for the actions of a few. Race war is not a thing to strive for, and the people pushing it are evil. None of this is groundbreaking or particularly well handled, but in a book that targets early a 1980s survivalist audience it's probably the best you're going to get. I'm gonna call his political and economic ideas country club communism. If you have full control over who joins your club, you don't have to worry to much about policing the members. His "harsh" prison system seems a hell of a lot better then we have today. It's like he wrote it thinking he would show us exactly how tough it should be for prisoners but since he knew nothing of prisons he managed to come up with an improvement. Except for the death penalty. Human's have had the death penalty forever, and we've had crime just as long. It's all down hill from here.
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Throwing Turtles posted:For some reason Dr.Chase examines the fetus. Holy poo poo. You could almost say the warlord's dead unborn child was... perfect in every way.
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OwlFancier posted:Why... does the nancy boy liberal president want to literally exterminate the entire population of the tri states with SS troops? His official reason is that the people of the Tri-states need the federal government to guide them and they told him no. You have to kill all of them because they will never surrender. Also he really really hates them and that jerk Ben Raines.
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quote:Ben helped her to her feet, gazed at her for a moment, then walked from her to join the group he was taking on diversion. Abruptly, without warning, the silent forest floor erupted into blood and violence. A platoon of paratroopers, quiet and deadly, came at the Rebels; the peaceful wood turned into hand to hand combat. There's so much telling and so little showing here it's almost painful. I guess it would have taken too much effort to actually describe the experience of being ambushed so the narrator resorts to just telling us that it happened and that it was bloody and loud. Also how did our brilliant military-vet protagonist manage to get his entire group surrounded without anyone noticing. And why were crack paratroopers so clumped together that only seconds after launching their ambush six of them could be immediately taken out by a single volley from a Thompson gun? Now I will admit I'm not a former soldier-turned-mercenary-turned-warlord but I coulda sworn that basic infantry fighting doctrine is you keep people spread out to avoid exactly that kind of thing from happening. Also what could it possible mean for someone's hands to "crawl" in a "snakelike" manner? In what possible way is a dying person's hand movement analagous to a snake? There are about 170,000 or so words in the English language and "snakelike" was the best adjective he could think of? I know the main appeal of this read through is the bat-poo poo crazy politics and cringe inducing racism but I think what keeps hooking me is the sheer awfulness of the prose.
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Throwing Turtles posted:She screamed as she began miscarrying the dead child, for the bayonet had driven through the unborn baby.
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I really don't get what or why is happening in this book. What a loving mess. Can anyone give me a rundown of the reasons for war? I legitimately can't wrap my head around it. EDIT: also I think the OP skipped Chapter 14?
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Helsing posted:There's so much telling and so little showing here it's almost painful. I guess it would have taken too much effort to actually describe the experience of being ambushed so the narrator resorts to just telling us that it happened and that it was bloody and loud. I was wondering about the tommy gun thing, the fact that the author calls everything a clip makes it hard to tell but supposedly he got a drum magazine for it, so presumably he didn't kill six men with twenty bullets. But, presumably, that also means he might have emptied a 100 round drum at them so he was literally standing in the middle of the clearing doing a rambo with his tommy gun for about ten seconds, which is possibly an even sillier image. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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How many goddamn suicide squads do they have in order to be able to take out upwards of a hundred of the most closely guarded people left on the planet?
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Tevery Best posted:I really don't get what or why is happening in this book. What a loving mess. The reasons for the war boil down preserving the union and making sure that all citizens are protected under the constitution. It's never presented in those exact words, but it's the closest thing to a reasonable reason. Logan specifically hates Ben Raines. And is power mad. It's never really laid out in those terms either. It only goes up to chapter 10 and the epilogue. I cut most of chapter 10 because it's a long list of assassinations, some in detail, all successful, of political figures. I did miss this. quote:President Logan smiled and leaned back in his leather chair. He was very pleased with the way things were going. Seven weeks since the awful assassinations, and the country was settling down. He had rid himself of a cheating wife and accomplished his life's dream; he had an iron grip on the country. The previous night he had dreamed about being crowned king of America. Which takes place right before he dies. OwlFancier posted:I was wondering about the tommy gun thing, the fact that the author calls everything a clip makes it hard to tell but supposedly he got a drum magazine for it, so presumably he didn't kill six men with twenty bullets. It changes, sometimes without warning or notice, as needed by the story. Given the nature of the book, the Rambo image is probably closest. Cerebral Bore posted:How many goddamn suicide squads do they have in order to be able to take out upwards of a hundred of the most closely guarded people left on the planet? Well according to the book there were five from each district. I don't know what that means, so I'm going to assume it's like county, of which there's a little over 160. So eight hundred people. The attacks took place in one night, and none of the targets were described as having protection. Logan was hit later by a suicide bomb. He also didn't have protection.
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Throwing Turtles posted:Well according to the book there were five from each district. I don't know what that means, so I'm going to assume it's like county, of which there's a little over 160. So eight hundred people. Sounds perfectly reasonable that all of the people in power would leave themselves completely unguarded after starting a war with a guy who explicitly threatened to assassinate those people in case they started said war. It's also convenient that these bands of suspicious armed people managed to trek all the way across a continent ruled by a police state without being stopped and questioned even once or the whole conservative revenge fantasy wouldn't really have worked out. Good writing all around, top marks.
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Bioweapons in water and diseased animals? Sounds like my plan for national defense of Lithuania: as soon as a T-72 crosses the border, we nuke ourselves How old was he when he wrote the book? His fascination with the elderly is something.
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Throwing Turtles posted:The reasons for the war boil down preserving the union and making sure that all citizens are protected under the constitution. It's never presented in those exact words, but it's the closest thing to a reasonable reason. I meant before, in Part I. Your posts list Chapter 13, but the next one starts with Chapter 15 and suddenly there are a bunch of characters and situations that we should know but we don't? Like Salina and the rest of that gang.
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What happened to the almost tolerable female student and tomboy characters?
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Tevery Best posted:I really don't get what or why is happening in this book. What a loving mess. Because they are liberals and therefore cannot stand Ben's Commupublican utopia. Also evil, of course, but I did say they were liberals.
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Discendo Vox posted:What happened to the almost tolerable female student and tomboy characters? https://youtu.be/shs7VQhVvxA
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Apparently I typed chapter 14 then didn't post it. Which is sad because it has some really goofy stuff. Chapter Fourteen quote:The first of May found Ben in the middle of the Great Smoky Mountains, sitting in a motel room in a deserted town, eating a cold lunch. quote:The first of May found Ben in the middle of the Great Smoky mountains, sitting in a motel room in a deserted town, eating a cold lunch. After watching the man die, a boy and a girl come by to warn Ben that everybody is coming to kill him. quote:“Who is coming to get me--and why?” The kids want Ben to leave because the leader Corning has marked him for death and they want to avoid more killing. quote:“Who, or what is a Corning?” Ben drives to Knoxville where he finds a group of five hundred, with another five thousand living in the suburbs. He learns that Logan has been installed as president, and that he wants to relocate everybody to a few central areas with the intention of homesteading out the wilds as the population stabilizes. I don’t know anything about rebuilding after doomsday but it sounds reasonable. quote:
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