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Terror Sweat posted:everyone knows the real answer, nobody wants to do it because of intense lobbying by the people who profit off of cheap indentured labor Is the answer "actually enforcing immigration laws like every other country in the world" ?
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The Saurus posted:Is the answer "actually enforcing immigration laws like every other country in the world" ? everytime ICE raids a bunch of companies the business owners complain and congressmen start to flex their power. any leader who actually gave a poo poo would just start instituting massive fines and or jail time for these infractions
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It's a shame, because anytime those raids happen the poor people in the area, usually black people, get a bunch of jobs and the local economy massively improves let's hope trump has raids, fines and jail time!
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Doesnt Trump literally employ illegals. I dont think thats gonna happen
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The Saurus posted:It's a shame, because anytime those raids happen the poor people in the area, usually black people, get a bunch of jobs and the local economy massively improves you dont need to hope, I have the power to see the future trump will not have raids, fines and jail time
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Will probably do more than Clinton though. #QueLevantenElMuro
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dont post in this forum the saurus
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Jose posted:deport you op
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The Saurus posted:It's a shame, because anytime those raids happen the poor people in the area, usually black people, get a bunch of jobs and the local economy massively improves When there was an immigration raid in my area they also found the plant employed kids as young as 14 and had massive workplace safety violations. Turns out that when companies violate one law, they also violate a bunch of others, especially when the workers do not have legal pretections.
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The Saurus posted:do you really want me back in brexit britain? he has a point, this wouldn't stop him from posting
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Konstantin posted:When there was an immigration raid in my area they also found the plant employed kids as young as 14 and had massive workplace safety violations. Turns out that when companies violate one law, they also violate a bunch of others, especially when the workers do not have legal pretections. the owner of that plant and other employers in the area then angrily called their congressman so no more raids were ever conducted there
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sorry that your nation won't get any remittance money next christmas babypolis
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also, having to pay for the wall without being allowed to continue to use the usa as a release valve for the mexican peoples' righteous anger, will cause the capitalist government to fall to the forces of socialism, which will be good for the mexicans and everyone in the world
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The Saurus posted:also, having to pay for the wall without being allowed to continue to use the usa as a release valve for the mexican peoples' righteous anger, will cause the capitalist government to fall to the forces of socialism, which will be good for the mexicans and everyone in the world shut the gently caress up you goddamn moron no one wants you around here. i know you are one those hosed up weirdos who enjoys negative attention but srsly gently caress off
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The Saurus posted:It's a shame, because anytime those raids happen the poor people in the area, usually black people, get a bunch of jobs and the local economy massively improves Guess the vast amount of evidence indicating that immigration improves the economy/decreases crime is wrong then
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Yossarian-22 posted:Guess the vast amount of evidence indicating that immigration improves the economy/decreases crime is wrong then illegal immigrants are literally breaking the law every single second they are in a country. you have a weird definition of crime
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1. Build the wall/secure the borders 2. Deport all (~2 million?) immigrants with criminal (violent/drug/felony) record 3. Amnesty/path to citizenship for all other immigrants 4. Welcome to republican voting majority for the foreseeable future
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Terror Sweat posted:illegal immigrants are literally breaking the law every single second they are in a country. you have a weird definition of crime I think technically they only broke it upon entry actually?
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a work exchange program for illegal aliens which will guarantee full time employment with energy companies by selling them off as them off under the table as indentured servants to Russian Federation to toil in the gas fields of Azerbaijan.
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babypolis posted:dont post in this forum the saurus
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Terror Sweat posted:illegal immigrants are literally breaking the law every single second they are in a country. you have a weird definition of crime Good thing we don't count crimes that way, dipshit. You've been charged with 900 counts of speeding, one for each second you were driving over the speed limit on this freeway. Enjoy your $157,500 in fines!
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Terror Sweat posted:illegal immigrants are literally breaking the law every single second they are in a country. you have a weird definition of crime Hot take: crime can be good
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Yossarian-22 posted:Guess the vast amount of evidence indicating that immigration improves the economy/decreases crime is wrong then It doesn't matter that something "improves the economy" because ALL the gains of economic growth for the past 30 years have been going to the 1%. When someone says "but the economy" they're really saying "but the superrich's superprofits!!"
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Outsourcing also "improves the economy" but how much did that argument help turn working class americans in the rust belt against it this past election?
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get deported you loving piece of poo poo
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I'm sorry that your Abuelita was such a horrible failure at trying to open the floodgates at the border, babypolis. But it wasn't really a realistic plan for Mexico to keep using the United States as a release valve for their problems indefinitely. Perhaps now that all of your nation's most esteemed personages aren't unblocking toilets or working as line cooks (like I failed to be), the Mexican people will finally be able to turn Mexico into the great state which is its destiny. Maybe the first step is to stop the abhorrent treatment of your fellow spanish-speaking refugees fleeing violence from the northern triangle while making disney eyes at gringos in the USA about how oppressed you are.
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immigrants are laborers, and the fact that they're labor gets exploited at the expense of local laborers is bad, but they're not and have never been the problem 'opening the floodgates' is really dehumanizing way to refer to people trying to get by like legit the best way to deal with border security is to embark on a process to unfuck Mexico, because the mexican government is incredibly corrupt and all of its leaders pocket everything, don't collect taxes, and so nothing can ever improve from that perspective, US companies offering a job is like striking gold, they're not great conditions or pay but its your best bet so drug legalization + pushing hard for anti-corruption reforms in mexico + maybe do something like modi is trying in india, tackling the tax problem by trying to digitize all the currency
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The Saurus posted:It doesn't matter that something "improves the economy" because ALL the gains of economic growth for the past 30 years have been going to the 1%. Ya so let's expropriate the 1% instead of letting them divide and conquer us like lemmings
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Yossarian-22 posted:Ya so let's expropriate the 1% instead of letting them divide and conquer us like lemmings I agree. Maybe you'd like to explain this to some of the WOKES around here and in D&D who seem to have a total blindness towards class and attack you for only caring about straight white men when you refer to union membership and wealth inequality statistics from the mid 20th century to show the awful decline in the power of the working class.
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rudatron posted:immigrants are laborers, and the fact that they're labor gets exploited at the expense of local laborers is bad, but they're not and have never been the problem Well, they are a part of the problem. Capitalists are always going to want to hire the cheapest labour available, so removing the availability of incredibly cheap illegal labour is a boon for the American legal resident and citizen. Pardon me if I don't have much sympathy for people who "try to get by" by illegally entering, staying and working in the sovereign territory of another nation after I spent 18 months apart from the woman I love more than anything to do things the way the government demands. Every single country in the world has border controls and immigration/visa restrictions - And the USA is more or less the only one that doesn't properly enforce them due to massive lobbying by the capitalists who benefit from it. You're doing the neoliberal capitalists jobs for them by arguing for a totally open, globalized labour market where anyone can move anywhere, because they know that using the racist label gets people to comply with what is in their interests. That's not how we help people in developing countries. We help them through international solidarity and building their own countries up to be as livable as ours, not by letting the small fraction of them who are healthy, wealthy or lucky enough to sneak across the border undercut the wages of fellow workers and drain remittances out of the domestic economy. The Saurus has issued a correction as of 19:53 on Jan 8, 2017 |
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Dude the solution is to fight for the free movement of people in order to counter the free movement of capital. Emancipation of the working class and social justice aren't mutually exclusive
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Do you really think the best plan is 100% free movement of peoples to travel all over the world at all times, or is that just the only moral end goal to aim for in your view? Because I'm happy to consent to 100% free movement once global late stage communism has been reached. But until then we actually have to live in the real world where mass immigration pressure on housing, infrastructure, healthcare and wages is harmful to the indigenous working class of a country under capitalism.
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The Saurus posted:Do you really think the best plan is 100% free movement of peoples to travel all over the world at all times, or is that just the only moral end goal to aim for in your view? The most successful unions in the late 18/early 1900s were those that didn't discriminate, i.e. the Knights of Labor and the IWW. When native-born workers band together with immigrant workers it's better for everyone. Mexican Americans are some of the most radicalized people in the U.S., as Eastern European Catholics and Jews were in the 20th century. The problem of downward pressure on wages--which only really exists in the most menial jobs (otherwise immigration=net gain for workers' wages) --goes away with full citizenship rights which should be fought for in all circumstances. The solidarity of the working class is contingent on being international and not easily divided
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rudatron posted:immigrants are laborers, and the fact that they're labor gets exploited at the expense of local laborers is bad, but they're not and have never been the problem actually the best solution is to end big corn
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Yossarian-22 posted:The most successful unions in the late 18/early 1900s were those that didn't discriminate, i.e. the Knights of Labor and the IWW. When native-born workers band together with immigrant workers it's better for everyone. Mexican Americans are some of the most radicalized people in the U.S., as Eastern European Catholics and Jews were in the 20th century. I'm an immigrant. I have no problem with legal immigrants. America is a nation of immigrants. But that doesn't mean you get to just decide when you want to move to someone else's country whenever you feel like it, and its racist for someone to take issue with that.
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