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Rakosi posted:I don't have to kowtow to every statement you make to be an ally to your cause. Explain to me how suggesting he should go "plan his next rape" was even remotely constructive. You know, I really tried to put in effort and contribute with posts from within my area of expertise but it is apparent that even very slight differences in tone are not just unwelcome here but are considered literal accessories to sexual violence and such. You're mad at her hurling an unconstructive insult at... LeJackal? I think you might not be aware what you're defending here. Unconstructive insults start to fly when one party can make the safe assumption this isn't in good faith.
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LeJackal posted:I don't dismiss them? I'm sure that this little gem from Lightning Knight's post is true. gem? seriously?
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I'm not even mad at anyone. I'm really confused at the sudden and uncalled for vitriol. For the record, I was referring to your reaction to me, not to your reaction to the other guy. You flipped your poo poo big stylie at me, for saying "Go plan your next rape" was probably an inopportune choice of words, and that is odd. If this dude is an arch-nazi-anti-feminist I am utterly unaware, but I would've thought my attempt at contributing to some conversations here would've at least given me half a second of benefit of doubt. Apparently not. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Rakosi posted:I'm not even mad at anyone. I'm really confused at the sudden and uncalled for vitriol. For the record, I was referring to your reaction to me, not to your reaction to the other guy. You flipped your poo poo big stylie at me, for saying "Go plan your next rape" was probably an inopportune choice of words, and that is odd. You are defending a well known poo poo head who posted unspoiled sexual assault details in the feminism thread! What the gently caress is wrong with you???
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Rakosi posted:I'm not even mad at anyone. I'm really confused at the sudden and uncalled for vitriol. For the record, I was referring to your reaction to me, not to your reaction to the other guy. You flipped your poo poo big stylie at me, for saying "Go plan your next rape" was probably an inopportune choice of words, and that is odd. You're a blithering idiot and barging into threads handing out orders to people when you don't even know what's going on is starting to be a habit with you. If getting yelled at hurts your precious fee-fees maybe learn to shut up and read before posting. LeJackal is a rape fetishist who posted unspoilered rape accounts for his own sexual gratification. Just because you're too ignorant to know what was going on doesn't mean you get to boss around the people who do. Shut the gently caress up and confine yourself to posting about things you aren't ignorant about.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:gem? seriously? Sexual assault, a real diamond in the rough you see. Rakosi posted:I'm not even mad at anyone. I'm really confused at the sudden and uncalled for vitriol. For the record, I was referring to your reaction to me, not to your reaction to the other guy. You flipped your poo poo big stylie at me, for saying "Go plan your next rape" was probably an inopportune choice of words, and that is odd. LeJackal is a known gimmick poster who likes to be contrarian and weird about poo poo, especially but not exclusively gun politics. Him waltzing into the feminism thread to tell TB, a woman, that she's silly and making things up, while me, a good upstanding man, gave good information, is preposterously patronizing. That what she was talking about is easily provable makes it even funnier. Edit: oh and yeah unspoiled rape accounts he had to edit out because he's an idiot.
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Rakosi posted:I'm not even mad at anyone. I'm really confused at the sudden and uncalled for vitriol. For the record, I was referring to your reaction to me, not to your reaction to the other guy. You flipped your poo poo big stylie at me, for saying "Go plan your next rape" was probably an inopportune choice of words, and that is odd. people here don't owe you poo poo, and you made a (couple of) dumb post(s). just bow out and come back better in a while, the thread is not about you at all.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:You're mad at her hurling an unconstructive insult at... LeJackal? I think you might not be aware what you're defending here. Unconstructive insults start to fly when one party can make the safe assumption this isn't in good faith. so everybody should have an encyclopedic knowledge of every other poster? last time I bothered to read LeJackal posts', he was just a run-of-the-mill gun nut. Did something change?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:so everybody should have an encyclopedic knowledge of every other poster? Is this feminist content? We are here to discuss feminism, if you don't share that goal get out like the other assholes.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:so everybody should have an encyclopedic knowledge of every other poster? He posted unspoiled sexual assault details in the feminism thread, like just now! Jfc, can you read?!
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Rakosi posted:I don't have to kowtow to every statement you make to be an ally to your cause. Explain to me how suggesting he should go "plan his next rape" was even remotely constructive. You know, I really tried to put in effort and contribute with posts from within my area of expertise but it is apparent that even very slight differences in tone are not just unwelcome here but are considered literal accessories to sexual violence and such. You want to really be an ally? Don't confuse your ignorance for some objective wisdom. Le Jackel is a bad poster and TB is running him off before he shits up the thread. Anyone who's spent time in D&D knows this and that's why no one except you has a problem with it. If you think TB or anyone else with an otherwise good posting reputation seem to overreact, try asking why instead of just assuming it's unjustified because of the tiny portion of the interaction you've been exposed to.
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Lightning Knight posted:LeJackal is a known gimmick poster who likes to be contrarian and weird about poo poo, especially but not exclusively gun politics. Him waltzing into the feminism thread to tell TB, a woman, that she's silly and making things up, while me, a good upstanding man, gave good information, is preposterously patronizing. That what she was talking about is easily provable makes it even funnier. Thank you for the heads up and that explanation. For the record, I never saw any unspoiled version.
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Rakosi posted:Thank you for the heads up and that explanation. For the record, I never saw any unspoiled version. It was a block quote. Again, men, feminism 101: don't be like rawr silly women you're wrong/I don't believe you, then magically change your mind when a man says it. 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Is this feminist content? We are here to discuss feminism, if you don't share that goal get out like the other assholes. Go plan your next shitpost. So what's the over/under on these protests today yielding long-term coalitions that actually get poo poo done? Most of these things tend to last until the other team gets back in power, then they get disbanded, then the next time they're needed they have to take a few years to get it together again.
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Rakosi posted:Thank you for the heads up and that explanation. For the record, I never saw any unspoiled version. He posted this unspoiled: quote: The doctor finished the procedure, then sent the nurse out of the room for bandages. He began wiping Dawn Marie’s knee; she assumed he was cleaning up the iodine. As he calmly asked the then-39-year-old singer about her work, he started dabbing her inner thighs. Her upper thighs. Her buttocks. When Dawn Marie felt his finger penetrate her vagina through her underwear, she froze. “I remember thinking: No, this cannot be.” Get the gently caress out
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Rakosi posted:Thank you for the heads up and that explanation. For the record, I never saw any unspoiled version. that is the exact explanation that TB and stone cold gave you multiple times but you had to wait for a man to say "oh thanks i didn't know that", lmao.
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botany posted:that is the exact explanation that TB and stone cold gave you multiple times but you had to wait for a man to say "oh thanks i didn't know that", lmao. Only after they flipped their poo poo at me.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:LeJackal is a rape fetishist who posted unspoilered rape accounts for his own sexual gratification. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:We all know you touched yourself while reading those rape accounts, LeJackal. You aren't exactly new on the scene here. I don't have a fetish about rape. Kind of a weird assumption to make about me. Its actually really creepy. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Shut the gently caress up and confine yourself to posting about things you aren't ignorant about. You're pretty ignorant about my sexual proclivities, but its not like that stopped you. stone cold posted:He posted this unspoiled: Its in the article, unspoiled. I'm sorry if that was offensive, but I found it a powerful call to action - particularly the followup about the systemic lack of consequence for these doctors. Lightning Knight posted:LeJackal is a known gimmick poster who likes to be contrarian and weird about poo poo, especially but not exclusively gun politics. Him waltzing into the feminism thread to tell TB, a woman, that she's silly and making things up, while me, a good upstanding man, gave good information, is preposterously patronizing. That what she was talking about is easily provable makes it even funnier. I had no idea about your gender, but what I did know is that you posted excellent articles about pervasive unpunished sexual assault among doctors, and TB did not.
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Rakosi posted:Only after they flipped their poo poo at me. You deserved it. You got on your loving high horse and acted like they were the assholes because you were ignorant to context of the situation.
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Rakosi posted:Thank you for the heads up and that explanation. For the record, I never saw any unspoiled version. Lol neeeever fails, never fails, never fuckin' fails. Women can line up and repeat the same statement until the heat death of the universe, but Mr. Expert can't hear it until a man repeats it for him.
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LeJackal posted:I don't have a fetish about rape. Kind of a weird assumption to make about me. Its actually really creepy. Prove me wrong by never posting about rape again! I'll be so mad, you'll really show me. And I'm sure it will be easy for you, since you hate rape and all.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Lol neeeever fails, never fails, never fuckin' fails. Women can line up and repeat the same statement until the heat death of the universe, but Mr. Expert can't hear it until a man repeats it for him. It was a conscious decision not to get into some silly flame war by replying in kind to the sort of vitriolic responses I got; instead I tried to ignore them best as I could and replied instead to a post which was rhetorically less of a minefield in an attempt to maybe defuse this a little. Him being an apparent man did not at any point enter into my mind, but I am not convinced you would believe that. I'm not an "expert" in anything, either.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Prove me wrong by never posting about rape again! I'll be so mad, you'll really show me. And I'm sure it will be easy for you, since you hate rape and all. Rape is wrong.
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Rakosi posted:It was a conscious decision not to get into some silly flame war by replying in kind to the sort of vitriolic responses I got; instead I tried to ignore them best as I could and replied instead to a post which was rhetorically less of a minefield in an attempt to maybe defuse this a little. Him being an apparent man did not at any point enter into my mind, but I am not convinced you would believe that. This is a feminist thread for feminist discussion. Not only are you not posting about feminism, you are being sexist in a very tired and predictable way we've already discussed many times in here. We have asked to leave. Do you need a man to repeat it for you?
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Rakosi posted:It was a conscious decision not to get into some silly flame war by replying in kind to the sort of vitriolic responses I got; instead I tried to ignore them best as I could and replied instead to a post which was rhetorically less of a minefield in an attempt to maybe defuse this a little. Him being an apparent man did not at any point enter into my mind, but I am not convinced you would believe that. I'm glad that posting unspoiled sexual assault details is some silly dame flame war nonsense to you. 
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Rakosi posted:Only after they flipped their poo poo at me. Also feminism 101, and I'm telling you this sincerely under the assumption that you're posting in good faith but from a position of ignorance: when a woman, or other marginalised person, is angry and calling out problematic behaviour, the correct response is to shut up and listen. If you can't understand why they are angry, the correct response is to figure that out for yourself without questioning or invalidating their anger. This can be hard because we're socialised to do the opposite, but there is still no excuse, least of all in a space set aside for discussion of feminism. Please reflect on this, and once you have, come back and apologise to TB.
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Rakosi posted:It was a conscious decision not to get into some silly flame war by replying in kind to the sort of vitriolic responses I got; instead I tried to ignore them best as I could and replied instead to a post which was rhetorically less of a minefield in an attempt to maybe defuse this a little. Him being an apparent man did not at any point enter into my mind, but I am not convinced you would believe that. you could have taken your exact "thanks for this explanation" post and posted it as a response to stone cold when she told you the exact same thing early on. that would have defused the situation pretty well. but your feelies were hurt so you had to wait for somebody else. meanwhile we're all completely derailing this thread. on topic: i assume this thread would be a good place to talk about women in science? i work in philosophy of science and part of what i'm interested in is the feminist perspective especially in archaeology. i could cobble together some examples if there's any interest, but it would have to wait a while.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Also feminism 101, and I'm telling you this sincerely under the assumption that you're posting in good faith but from a position of ignorance: when a woman, or other marginalised person, is angry and calling out problematic behaviour, the correct response is to shut up and listen. If you can't understand why they are angry, the correct response is to figure that out for yourself without questioning or invalidating their anger. I will leave and think about this; though I refute that carte blanche language should be acceptable anywhere on the forums in any circumstances, but that's my own personal forums politics. I won't bother this thread again, until I've thought about things more.
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botany posted:you could have taken your exact "thanks for this explanation" post and posted it as a response to stone cold when she told you the exact same thing early on. that would have defused the situation pretty well. but your feelies were hurt so you had to wait for somebody else. meanwhile we're all completely derailing this thread. Yes please do! I read a ton about archaeology and one thing I read lately talked about how sexist assumptions work their way into interpretations of what objects were for or art was depicting. Female figures are always "fertility" figures, any skeleton buried with weapons was a man, etc. Do you know anything about that?
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yes please do! I read a ton about archaeology and one thing I read lately talked about how sexist assumptions work their way into interpretations of what objects were for or art was depicting. Female figures are always "fertility" figures, any skeleton buried with weapons was a man, etc. Do you know anything about that? that is literally what i'm interested in, those exact things  also the re-evaluation of work chains, like the fact that stone tool production and invention was widely assumed to be a male field, despite this making zero sense in many cases. again, it'll take me some time to write something up but i'll get around to it!
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Rakosi posted:It was a conscious decision not to get into some silly flame war by replying in kind to the sort of vitriolic responses I got; instead I tried to ignore them best as I could and replied instead to a post which was rhetorically less of a minefield in an attempt to maybe defuse this a little. Him being an apparent man did not at any point enter into my mind, but I am not convinced you would believe that. To clarify a little further, LeJackal came into a women's space, and began victim blaming, posting unspoilered accounts of sexual assault, and then arguing with and invalidating the women who called him on it. All of these were acts of violence, and TB is well within her rights to respond aggressively. That you saw her response as being more violent reflects your inner prejudices, and is something I'd also advise reflecting on.
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I've heard of gender archaeology and Wikipedia isn't being very clear to me here. Is feminist archaeology substantially different than or related to gender archaeology?
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DeusExMachinima posted:I've heard of gender archaeology and Wikipedia isn't being very clear to me here. Is feminist archaeology substantially different than or related to gender archaeology? it's closely related. basically, gender archaeology tries to understand gender relations in past cultures on the basis of their material remains. this includes some pretty cool, semi-recent techniques, like food waste analysis and stuff. feminist archaeology is a broader movement that is concerned both with gendering archaeological research and problematizing current practice. the first means making women visible in ancient cultures, the second is a critique of implicit, unacknowledged male bias that leads to distorted findings -- which is bad for everyone! it sucks for women and it's also bad science. this part is what i'm most interested in.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:To clarify a little further, LeJackal came into a women's space, and began victim blaming, Yes, I totally said its the victim's fault for visiting a doctor. (I never did, this is sarcasm.) No woman should have to worry about being raped by their doctor. Lead out in cuffs posted:posting unspoilered accounts of sexual assault That was a faux pas on my part. Lead out in cuffs posted:and then arguing with and invalidating the women who called him on it. A more correct, dare I say honest statement might read 'arguing with the women who called him a rapist'. Does denying accusations of being a rapist count as invalidation? Lead out in cuffs posted:That you saw her response as being more violent reflects your inner prejudices, and is something I'd also advise reflecting on. I think that prejudice isn't required to see a distinction between the 'violence' of "is this really true?" versus "you're a rapist". (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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