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why can't I be a feminist as a man, and instead have to be an "ally"? (i'm assuming that's hiw this works)
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Deified Data posted:Why make that assumption? How does the concept of ally work then?
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Dec 27, 2016 18:15
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, icantfindaname. He came in whining about something not based in real feminist discussion, but his own insecurities as a man. It has no place in a discussion of feminism. It does not contribute to the conversation. It isn't even really about feminism. I asked a serious question? I'm glad to hear that most feminists don't conceive of allies as working that way
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Dec 27, 2016 21:35
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Vindicator posted:To be fair, it's not hard to read it as a shitpost. It seems immediately abrasive, demonstrates a mistaken preconception, and indicates nothing about how you came to hold that belief. For real, though, who told you men couldn't be feminists? Nobody in particular, just me extrapolating the concept of allies based on what I've encountered of people using it
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Dec 27, 2016 22:03
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Vindicator posted:You extrapolated that men were in some way prohibited, or at least discouraged, from referring to themselves as feminists? The idea of "allies" as a defined category that includes people who aren't part of the minority group in question points that way yeah. Again, though, it seems I was wrong in that conception
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Dec 27, 2016 22:10
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the white hand posted:Can't men just...I don't know, swallow it? Get over themselves? Hemming and hawing about not feeling welcome or whatever seems like the height of weakness, and blindness, and exactly like all the white supremacists who believe that being criticized for their actions is as bad as racism. I feel like comparing men who ask about terminology or their welcomeness in the movement, seemingly perfectly legitimate questions, to white supremacists, is probably a bad way to win public support in a purely utilitarian sense, and bespeaks a fundamental hostility and lack of good faith in dealing with the general public
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Dec 27, 2016 22:41
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boner confessor posted:legit tho this thread's going to be terrible if it goes from the feminist thread to the tiny brontosaurs repeatedly insults any and everyone who disagrees with them thread. please relax "going to"
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