Like so many waves eroding the cliffs of the patriarchy (FEMINISM THREAD)

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Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

What exactly is the advantage of someone with privilege to lose said privilege or give it up, even losing like 1% of their privilege?

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Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

FactsAreUseless posted:

Aside from the moral argument: Because not everyone in your life is going to be in the same race/gender/socioeconomic bracket. So even if you benefit from your privilege, people you care about are affected negatively by it. This has two immediate impacts: 1. The lives of people who care about are worse and 2. you will end up having to help care for those people. If a friend of yours can't find a place to live because they're black and gay, and they crash on your couch, that has a direct impact (economic and otherwise) on your life. If your wife or girlfriend can't get good medical care because her insurance doesn't cover an issue specific to women, that has a direct economic impact on your life. If your mother or daughter or sister makes less money because of her gender, that will have an economic impact on your life, direct or indirect. Privilege is only unequivocally beneficial if you surround yourself ONLY with others in your demographic: hence the rise of movements like Men Going Their Own Way, who seek to do that.

You also have to deal with the costs of accessing that privilege. Men lose access to male privilege, in whole or in part, if they don't act in the ways that men are supposed to act, under the same societal rules that enforce their privilege. If a man chooses to take a traditionally female job, like teaching, he loses economic power and privilege. Just as one example. But fighting back against the systems that enforce that privilege also fights back against the costs associated with accessing that privilege.

I actually read this and it makes sense to me, a left leaning man. However I think the trouble lies in convincing anyone anything center or further right, to give up privilege they may have. One of the reasons trump won, in my opinion.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 01:31

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

Oh, and calling people "white supremacists" out the gate is a sure fire way for no one to give a poo poo what you have to say.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 01:31

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

stone cold posted:

FAU, no offense or mod sass meant, but can we talk about women's issues for like at least a few pages before we start talking about men?

No offense, but isn't feminism about equality for all? Is it not a legit question to pose how to convince people to give up their privileges? Christ....

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 01:34

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Get out you loving idiot marxoteen, nobody is ever going to take your bait no matter how many times you ask it or how many threads you try to hijack to do it. Can you only reach arousal if you've scolded a woman for owning a Beyonce album or what?

Why is this person not probated? I mean seriously this is EXACTLY why this forum has a bad reputation and no one has any meaningful conversation or debate that isn't a hive mind status. gently caress off

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 01:35

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

FactsAreUseless posted:

Yes. That's my point, though. They don't benefit from it in the way they think. That's what we need to demonstrate.

For instance, there are very few households, however conservative, that have one income, which is male. That is no longer a common situation. And if you are a two-income household, with a man and a woman, that woman's earning potential is lower. Raising women's wages doesn't automatically lower men's. If you fight wage discrimination, you raise the income of that entire household. It doesn't zero out. If you have a household that depends on a woman's income, because the man is retired or unemployed or she just earns more of the household income, wage discrimination is hurting the earning power of that whole household. That's why discrimination against women relies on a social narrative that no longer exists. Once you acknowledge economic reality, discrimination against women becomes even more irrational. Misogyny isn't to the benefit of men. It hurts them, in directly measurable economic ways. Not getting into the negative impacts on their ability to have healthy, happy relationships. Misogyny does economic harm to men. That's an important argument to make, loudly and clearly, and very often.

That's a really good point. Well stated.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 01:37

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 11:02

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

stone cold posted:

Get out. You are a notorious troll, and you have nothing of value to contribute here.

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

calling yourself black baby goku is apparently a hell of a way to command respect though

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 01:37

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