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54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Ytlaya posted:

Man, I don't even want to think about all the terrible poo poo that is going to happen over the next 4-8 years. Like every time my mind heads in that direction it just goes "nope!" and recoils.

Also, to elaborate a bit on why the guy comparing (possible) diversity hires to nepotism was dumb, the whole point of diversity hires is to off-set bias against diversity hires, so basically the status quo is one where (on average) there's some degree of unfair advantage given to (usually) white male hires.

Speaking from a Canadian perspective, I'm with every American woman in solidarity. It's going to be a long four years, all uphill I think.

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54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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While I don't think Hillary was the best candidate, I can't pretend I wasn't a little crushed when I woke up and saw Trump had won. To me it just felt like an entire nation telling us, we as women, will never be good enough.

What her husband did and how she has handled that is hosed. As are many of her policies. Regardless, she was far and away more qualified than Trump on every single respect.

A woman who has actually dedicated her life to politics, losing to a man who not only has no political background, but very openly talks about women and POC and disabled and every single minority/vulnerable population in the most sickening ways, a man who bankrupted a casino! That's who won?

It was downright insulting.

54 40 or fuck fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jan 8, 2017

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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I feel like even her whole campaign and its failings is less relevant than some of the disgusting poo poo that came from it- from the anti-Hillary camp, voters, other politicians. A lot of the vitriol aimed at Trump was appearance based and abject horror of his absolute ignorance but it was goddamn disheartening to see all the Lewinsky jokes, the jokes Trump was making about women constantly through his entire campaign. The sexism and misogyny that was directed at Hillary was sick.

I need to be enlightened, because I'm not American and I don't know much about past presidents, how bad was Hillary in comparison to former presidents? It can't have been much worse than Trump is going to be. I just can't wrap my head around it.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Person has kind of weird opinion, not much more than that

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Nessa posted:

I would say that "housewives" are largely not a thing anymore.

How many households can even afford to have one person stay home to do housework and take care of the kids?

I would love to be a housewife, but finances make that impossible. The best I could hope for would be to earn enough freelancing that I could work from home to care for my future children.

I wouldn't mind being a STAHM for only because I don't like going to work, but I think that's a majority of people anyway and it's a 'grass is greener' type thing because I'm sure doing the necessary gets old fast.

I'd love if my husband could be the one who stays home, he loves to clean and is a great cook. It'd sure be nice to come home and not have to worry about that stuff.

I had even entertained the idea of taking time away from work or even just working a job with less hours until our baby that's due in April is in school. Daycare as it stands, because of our income will be about 25K a year. So do I want to pay someone else that much to raise my kid for me? Or do I want to make less and be more present?

It all takes me back to this great thing o saw about how "wonder dads" online are like "wow! This guy does his daughters hair!! What a guy!" Where as "wonder moms" are the women who balance a career, take care of the home, the child rearing, drive kids to extra curriculars, pack magazine-worthy bento box lunches and more. I would have rolled my eyes if that wasn't exactly the case for several professional women I know.

Society doesn't want to admit the value of a stay at home parent, especially since so much of it is still considered traditionally feminine work, but they sure as poo poo want it done.

54 40 or fuck fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jan 10, 2017

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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So that whole bit about "separation of church and state" is just pretty much meaningless eh.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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But gently caress you when you're born !

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Octatonic posted:

i look forward to the future where my children will sue me got 8-9 months or so of false imprisonment, claiming inhospitable conditions due to the spontaneous abortions that I'm happened/will happen in over a third of pregnancies!

maybe i can countersue with damages? stealing nutrients from my blood and altering its chemistry? not paying rent? can i make the fetus pay for birthing costs?

Okay. So let's say a child is born into terrible poverty. Horrible life. Parents admit they would have terminated the pregnancy but weren't allowed. Can't this theoretical child sue the government?

I mean hey, slippery slope and all.

"Mrs.X didn't ask to be born, she didn't want to be born but had no agency to defend the right to not be born!"

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Several years ago when I was still in university I also learned how international adoption also has a big human trafficking issues. Poor women essentially used as incubators to make babies for rich people.

Granted, people adopting didn't have this knowledge so they were essentially unwilling participants

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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So for a non American, is Hillary really, actually that much worse than previous presidents? Because we know for Trump is. And not just Trump, Pence as well.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Defenestration posted:

Everyone's favorite neoliberal egg sucker Jonathan Chait took issue this week with the naming of the Women's March on Washington, which is planned for next week to protest the inauguration.

He has provided a textbook example of... well lots of things. Concern trolling, men demanding access to women's spaces, "allies" who are more interested in getting cookies for their opinions than actually helping, etc.




in other words

http://www.theonion.com/article/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-m-2338

Oh so he's implying that men are incapable of understanding anything that isn't explicitly inclusive of them.

I doubt the men who would be put off by something as normal as calling it a Women's March would be going out to support women anyway

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Defenestration posted:

doot dee doo, checkin my ok cupid messages



:siren: RED ALERT
:siren: SHIELDS UP

"Why wouldn't I"

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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As much as we like to talk about how loving lovely North America is for women, there's no denying that it's actually the whole entire world that's lovely to us in different capacities.

And speaking of I'm wondering what are some of the thoughts surrounding maternity leave and parental leave. I'm due in April and I'm lucky enough to live where we get a year of paid maternity leave, as well as the fact that my employer will top up my employment insurance so I'll be making 93% of my salary.

It is extremely depressing to me to read about women in other countries who will maybe get four weeks of unpaid leave, and that to me is completely and totally inappropriate. There are a lot of benefits to maternity and parental leave but most organizations seem to be focussed on the bottom line only, and so it creates this system that devalues things like parenthood and work that women do because a lot of employers wind up being sexist and worrying about things like not wanting to hire women in fear that they're going to be needing maternity leave. All this and not even touching on the fact that I've read of women in at-will states being fired because they get pregnant and it's basically completely legal.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Yes it really forces this idea that hiring men is incentivized and hiring women is detrimental. It also perpetuates this idea that women are responsible for being the sole provider of parental responsibility.

Completely ignores the fluidity it creates in the workforce, employee satisfaction/retention and the tax dollars it saves. Just at this point in my life I cannot even fathom taking a month or more off with no income coming in, then returning while leaving an infant elsewhere during crucial bonding time. It hurts to think about how much more profoundly this affects single mothers and women living in poverty

Defenestration posted:

I'm pretty sure it's not legal to fire a woman for getting pregnant nationwide but good loving luck proving it or taking the employer to court

That's the problem. It's not legal but there's no shortage of women in at-will states that coincidentally find their positions redundant.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Not a Step that's very interesting about your wife. And yes, our brains develop more in the first three years of life than they ever will again in our entire lives so that parental attachment and language/motor skill acquisition is so necessary.

It's at the point where I've considered potentially leaving my own job to find something part time because even with a year off, childcare is so expensive so why not just take a pay cut? Why work for a sizeable chunk of my salary to go to someone else, possibly a stranger, raising my child in these crucial developmental years?

As for the rally, I truly cannot comprehend divorcing feminism from being pro-choice. Being hardcore prolife just goes against so many principles of feminism re: bodily autonomy, governance of women's bodies, women's health/wellness and access to health care.

Being an individual who identifies as prolife while being a feminist is one thing because I can understand the complexity of culture, religious background and such but a "prolife feminist group"? Does not compute.

54 40 or fuck fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jan 18, 2017

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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I did get my baby box and it's great, it wasn't an overwhelming need for me since I'm privileged enough to be financially comfortable at this time but it's an initiative I wanted to support and take part of. It is feminist as gently caress and I'm also glad it's becoming more and more
commonplace

Rabbit Hill posted:

Hi thread, long-time lurker, first-time poster... On the topic of women in the workplace, the Gallup Poll just sent this article out on their newsfeed today: The Dwindling Female Labor Force in the US

[**]From that link:

But, you know, the pay gap is a myth!!!
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Wow I'm shocked, not. This goes well with how it's just not sustainable financially to have children with costs that demand both parents to have a career, and guess who is going to be encouraged to give up their career?
I also love the wording of "outdated company cultures". See: commonplace sexism.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Ah, the nurse thing reminds me. There's a lot of misogyny associated with midwives as well. Where I live it is absolutely incentivized to go to a midwife as your primary care provider unless you have a high risk pregnancy. It's fantastic, you have someone who is university educated and has taken further education on pre and postnatal care for both mom and baby.

Still, there are huge issues with things like getting notes from a midwife and how much respect is given to the role. It's really sad to see.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

What do you mean by getting notes?

For example, I was getting some episodic migraines from what is likely hormone fluctuations. My work sick leave policy is only three absences in a six month time span. So I mentioned the headaches to midwife, she writes me a note advising my employer that I may potentially need some discretionary sick days due to these headaches in my pregnancy. The response was that the midwife note wasn't adequate, it had to come from my family doctor. Any kind of medical notes.

Their reasoning is under the guise of "if it's that bad you should be seeing your doctor" but midwives are genuine primary care providers for pregnant women. They have the power to send you for blood work, they can prescribe certain medications, and they're a lot more accessible than doctors in terms of wait times and not to mention they have the specialization.

When I told my midwife about this she said they have a secondary letter that explains midwives are PCP, because this is a documented issue.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Japan is super misogynist to the point where they even have a word for women who are over 25. It's called "Christmas cake", and it means that after 25 you're no good. I learned this from a coworker whose brother married a Japanese woman, and while he was still in Japan with her her sister asked her why he liked her since she was Christmas cake. And if you look into it you see that it is a very real thing and a held belief there.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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I also heard that if you aren't leadership to whatever organization you're supporting (if there is even a specific one), don't talk to the press. Direct them to leadership or find out if there's something specific you should be saying if a mic and a camera get stuck in your face

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Stay safe out there friends

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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It's also referred to as the husband stitch, happy husband stitch and lovers knot

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Oracle posted:

Its the misogyny, stupid is an American Prospect article on the recent election that had this little tidbit I hadn't even thought of:
There's more, but given the few evangelicals I have friended on Facebook, certain things they've said are seen in a new light.

He bankrupted a CASINO. How is that alone not enough to make someone think "that does not bode well for running an entire country". He took an institution guaranteed to basically print money and ran it into the ground.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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blackguy32 posted:

First off, episiotomiesshould be really rare because they can prolong healing, increase rate of infection and aren't really all that beneficial. But they are still being done.

Second, plenty of episiotomies are done without the woman's consent simply because it's easier.

Third, there are multiple types of data aside from objective data.

Just to add to this as well...

You'll have to take my word for it on this one because I'm having difficulty finding the study but women who were allowed to push for at least three hours over two cut the need for being cut something to the tune of 90%. Allowing women to take their time, use warm compresses and natural pushing techniques can help them potentially avoid being cut without actual need.

I really think the whole nature of L&D being extremely rushed in some respects is one of the reasons midwifery and the use of doulas has skyrocketed in interest again. There's a lot of encouragement for women to labour in different ways, and approach the birthing process in a more holistic way.

Women want to feel like human beings during their pregnancy and delivery, not a slab of meat strapped to a bed and then cut open because it's quicker without exploring other options.

I'd also throw the use of epidurals in there too because there's a lot of anecdotal evidence (wow, that's a thing, can you believe it?!) that women who have not wanted epidurals for whatever reason were pressured into them by hospital staff.

These are both from a pretty quick perusal of searching on unnecessary episiotomies and c-sections
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/721538_1

http://m.acog.org/Resources-And-Pub...sMobileSet=true

quote:

A large population-based study from Canada found that the risk of severe maternal morbidities––defined as hemorrhage that requires hysterectomy or transfusion, uterine rupture, anesthetic complications, shock, cardiac arrest, acute renal failure, assisted ventilation, venous thromboembolism, major infection, or in-hospital wound disruption or hematoma––was increased threefold for cesarean delivery as compared with vaginal delivery (2.7% versus 0.9%, respectively) (7). There also are concerns regarding the long-term risks associated with cesarean delivery, particularly those associated with subsequent pregnancies. The incidence of placental abnormalities, such as placenta previa, in future pregnancies increases with each subsequent cesarean delivery, from 1% with one prior cesarean delivery to almost 3% with three or more prior cesarean deliveries.

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54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

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Not to mention that "that doesn't happen in first world countries", that wording comes with the 'out of sight out of mind' implication. So if it happens outside of first world countries it doesn't count?

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