Like so many waves eroding the cliffs of the patriarchy (FEMINISM THREAD)

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blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Good feminist allies at least put in effort to research stuff regarding feminism instead of bogging people down with a hundred questions that have answers easily available. What tends to happen is people exhaust themselves answering questions that never stop coming.

Everyday feminism is a good resource. Feministing is good too. Bad feminist by Roxane Gay is a great book to read that covers a variety of topics.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 13:09

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 23:42

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

BarbarianElephant posted:

There must BE some elderly feminists who are transphobic relics, but the younger, relevant crowd are all completely trans-positive. So I always feel it is not a well-intentioned argument when anti-feminists try to bring on the "But don't you feminists hate trans-people? Huh? OWNED! You aren't as tolerant as you think you are, you transphobic horrible people!" just as all the feminists under 50 are saying "That's not right, we completely welcome trans-women as women in our movement."

I disagree with this because even younger feminists have their racism issues, it is also likely that they could have anti transsexual issues.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 15:58

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Nessa posted:

My mom was an elementary school teacher and she once went to a panel at a conference that essentially told all the teachers to only choose books with male protagonists. The reasoning was that "boys can't relate to female characters" but "girls can relate to male characters just fine", so only choose male character driven books.

If I were a teacher, I would do the opposite and find a bunch of good book with female protagonists because if "boys can't relate to female characters", then clearly they haven't had enough exposure to female protagonists. Rather than try to fix the problem of boys not being able to relate to girls, it was suggested to just keep pandering to the boys interests.

Yeah, if boys can relate to robots or aliens that have tails and can fly, then they can relate to women characters. It's such a lame excuse.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2017 17:07

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

stone cold posted:

I know personally this was the same experience for me as the firstborn daughter. My parents were the amazingly strict, never break curfew, virginity police. Thank god I live in a place with halfway decent sex ed, because my mother never talked to me about safe sex practices, beyond "Don't have it." By contrast, my brother, who's significantly younger than me and is just finishing out his teen years now, never was punished for breaking curfew and my parents bought him condoms and let him drink beer in the house.

These kinds of double standards are just another example of how these small sexist offences snowball into deadly consequences, and I dread the incoming administration. What do y'all think about this?

I often talk to my female co-workers about their kids and curfews and stuff always end up coming up for girls. The answer to any future inquiries is always, "It's different for girls." But I think the most strongest thing of all is that many of them refuse to talk to their kids about sex. My mom's sex ed was basically sending me off to college with a pack of condoms.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2017 23:06

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

stone cold posted:

You know, I genuinely think it's a sexist thing, because how many media portrayals have we seen of teen dudes being all awkward about getting the talk.

I would've loved the talk!

I would have too, but to be honest, I think at that point, I probably knew more than my mother about sex anyhow, because I had a pretty awesome health teacher.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2017 23:13

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

stone cold posted:

We both got lucky.

Things like this,

One of my major policy desires is federally controlled standards for sex ed so that everybody understands birth control, consent, and also how female reproductive anatomy loving works.

Yeah, I want to yell at people who think that because a egg is fertilized, it's automatically a life. If they only knew that the female body eliminates fertilized eggs all the time and most people don't even know it.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2017 23:50

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Dommolus Magnus posted:

Well, considering that Republicans are already trying to criminalize miscarriages, it might actually be smarter to leave them in the dark about this.

Well, if they want to criminalize sex, I guess this would be the best way.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2017 00:33

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Hawkgirl posted:

Let's do it, let's talk about Hillary in the feminism thread.

It bugs me real bad to hear people discuss the election and why Hillary lost because it seems agreed-upon that sexism was the least of our problems. After all, Hillary lost white women! To me, Hillary losing white women doesn't mean that sexism wasn't a problem, it more says to me that the wombo combo of internalized sexism plus racism was enough to do her in.

I'm having trouble fully articulating my thoughts on this because the whole thing is such a loving bummer. Is Hillary a perfect person? gently caress no. But as Koalas March and blackguy32 mentioned in the Negrotown thread today, she fuckin works her rear end off. Lady gets poo poo done and lord knows probably would have had an even more exasperating presidency than Obama did, but was still game for that poo poo.

If you haven't checked it out, look at her Harlem speech. I love that speech to death because she keeps it real with black people and understands our issues. It's very rare to hear such a candid talk about race like that from white politicians. It turned me from undecided to supporting her.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2017 08:51

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

OwlFancier posted:

They very literally are in the BBC article, that's my point. The author says she only noticed because she was deliberately looking at his phone and nobody else would be able to see it, and he made no communication with her or anyone else, and he wasn't jacking off.

If you blare porn with the sound on then that's loving gross and you're harassing people, but specifically the act of watching it in as much personal space as you can get on a bus is, well, morally a non issue. Or at least morally as not-an-issue as porn generally is which again you could write an interesting article on if you wanted to.

The creeps leering at people are harassing people, the people committing auditory assault on people for their own entertainment should get a belt in the mouth for it. But that's not what started the discussion.

I think the point is that there ISN't much personal space on a bus. It would be different if the guy was far in the back away from everyone, but usually people are packed into buses and if she was close enough to see it, then its close enough to not be private.

From my standpoint, it sounds like you are blaming the woman for being offended. When 1) the action was questionable to begin with and 2) the action was easily seen by her, so its not like he is trying to hide it.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2017 08:12

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Argentum posted:

there's a huge different between physically whipping your genitals out and beating off vs. looking at a picture on a smartphone which happens to make the person next to you angry or upset
looking at anime titties on public transportation is certainly weird but I wouldn't say it's the mark of an objectively bad person, just somebody who's a little self-minded or has bad social skills. there ain't nothing wrong with being weird. i save my angry energy for people who actually endanger others, and there is no shortage of that in 2017.

There is nothing wrong with being weird, but just because you are weird does not give you a pass to do whatever you want. I don't care about calling someone objectively bad and I think goons have a strange fixation on "objectivity" as a whole. But the action in this story is highly questionable, and I begrudge the person for feeling uncomfortable about it.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2017 08:19

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Nice piece of fish posted:

That's fine, and I wasn't really referring to you specifically. I'm not going to accuse you of claiming this is illegal behaviour, either. I'm more interested in what definition or standard of "harassment" people are operating with here.

One of my problems is that it seems a somewhat inaccurate term and I don't think it helps the conversation referring to it as "harassment". That carries connotations of illegality, and is usually a concerted and directed effort towards an individual or a group of individuals. It carries with it implications of criminal intent, as in the person did it for reasons specifically to harass, knowingly and wilfully. It assumes a level of malice I'm not comfortable assuming, when it might just be simple ignorance or disregard (or mental illness) that motivated the person to do so.

Then there's of course the problem of privacy, but that's already commented on so I won't get into that right now.

Seeing as I'm speaking up, I might as well put my two cents in: I think public viewing of pornography in any setting other than one with a reasonable expectation of privacy is antisocial to begin with, though not necessarily anti-women. There's a weird dissonance between our increasingly liberalized societies (I myself live in one of the most feminist countries in the world on par with Iceland with a female PM and very strict anti-discrimination laws) and the relationship with public nudity in general. I feel like the topic of it in a social context is heavily influenced by a great number of factors, not limited to local culture, ideology, personal experience and opinions, and I find it hard to discuss it outside of my own perspective as a member of my own society.

Seeing as how a number of people itt find public viewing of porn harassing, maybe it's also a worthwhile discussion to have how society is supposed to deal with socially unacceptable behaviour that isn't in the framwork of law (which is where you normally influence public behaviour). Or whether it should be illegal, if that's how you feel about it.

Harassment is a much broader term and doesn't always fit under illegal behavior persay. Someone who constantly gives you notes after you tell them to stop is harassing you. Catcalling is harassment.

As for the law, I would imagine for the US at least, watching porn in public and causing a disturbance would fit under disturbing the peace.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2017 12:45

blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

In other news that is about women, it is good that the women's march is going strongly across the United States, especially after that weak inauguration showing from Trump.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2017 23:26

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blackguy32: Oct 1, 2005; Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Grognan posted:

LOL reading those articles, this is not a thing that happens in first world countries and you are still psychotically doing your clam tickle thing.

I am guessing you want a space that you feel safe from criticism but we actually read the studies here.

Or more accurately you want a space that you can rage against an acceptable enemy without introspection. I am sure you can make a sub-Reddit but it would not have the audience you want.

Please make up more things about me that justify not listening to me.

First off, episiotomiesshould be really rare because they can prolong healing, increase rate of infection and aren't really all that beneficial. But they are still being done.

Second, plenty of episiotomies are done without the woman's consent simply because it's easier.

Third, there are multiple types of data aside from objective data.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 12:25

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