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DeadlyMuffin posted:This is a bunch of You are right that it would be shouted down instantly, but get this: maybe that isn't a good thing??
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bullshit that would rightfully get shouted down as nonsense if it were about women instead of men.
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Posting about my lazy boyfriend's male privilege as I mow the lawn for him.
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FactsAreUseless posted:You've had some terrible relationships. Nah. Saying you won't do something for your SO because they are acting like a jerk is normal and fine.
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the trump tutelage posted:We have a concrete goal: teach men to value housework appropriately and to do their fair share. Never mind subjective standards of cleanliness, the issue is ultimately about the division of labor. Okay - what is an actually practicable way to achieve this?
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Yikes brae. How about you go shitblast on some other thread?
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Defenestration posted:
It's more complicated than that. Those types of physical pranks can be a type bonding ritual.
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What would it mean to consent to a prank in this context?
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OwlFancier posted:I can't say I really understand it myself... You don't need to rely on pain to be friends with someone... I understand exactly what he's talking about and I used almost the exact same phrase to describe it. Pain can feel very good in and of itself. Like after a long run for instance.
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It disturbs me how quick some people are to pathologize normal boyhood behavior like roughhousing.
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OwlFancier posted:Are you able to articulate why pain is a productive sensation? Are you able to articulate why one of our senses would be entirely "unproductive"
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OwlFancier posted:Because causing people pain, in most circumstances, is something that does not feel good. That's sort of inherently the point of pain is it's something you feel as a warning to stop you doing whatever you're doing. Nobody is saying that we should encourage others to "rely on" enjoying pain. That's a total strawman. Nobody is saying that there aren't other ways boys can and do bond. That being said, I see take issue with the way you are trying to paint roughhousing as inherently problematic. Its perfectly acceptable form of play between friends and is only being defended in the context of friends. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:Then I think you could stand to be far more specific about what "roughhousing" entails because I would hope you would be aware of how that is tied up with masculine socialization towards being OK with violence in general and being "tough". We're already discussing one specific type of roughhouse, (the towel whip) so why not just stick with it? What do you mean by masochistic?
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Jan 2, 2017 18:53
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It its impossible to get somebody's consent to prank them. Pranks are still good though.
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The lack of respect for the lived experiences of other people itt is sad but unsurprising.
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OwlFancier posted:Has it perhaps occured to you that I might have a lived experience which leads me to the conclusions I draw? Had it occurred to you that your lived experience isn't an authority on the lived experiences of other people?
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I'm not the one pathologizing normal childhood behavior as masochistic.
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Jan 2, 2017 19:17
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OwlFancier posted:You are trying to normalize it such that anything else is pathological. I don't have to try and normalize roughhousing. Its already normal, thankfully.
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Who What Now posted:Neither is anybody else. Whipping the poo poo out of one another isn't normal childhood behavior. Actually, roughhousing is extremely normal childhood behavior.
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TB and WWN are really making GBS threads up this thread. Please do not encourage them in their attempts to lock out discussion they disagree with.
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Plenty of people are suggesting that pranking is inherently problematic but nobody is even trying to defend it.
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Who What Now posted:You've been defending pranking this whole time, dude. Can you not even follow your own posts? Nobody is defending the idea that pranking is bad. Like, with arguments. Except Owlfancier who is claiming that pain is a bad thing by default. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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Jan 2, 2017 19:37
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Nevvy Z posted:That's not true, TB tried to tie pranking to racist arson attacks. Naw, she 's just been trying to start a meme that I'm klan member. 
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Jan 2, 2017 19:43
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Its easy to see here how some men might feel unwelcome in feminist discussion. Roughhousing as described in this thread is big part of male culture, it sad to see it disregarded so thoughtlessly.
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OwlFancier posted:The subject of the thread is how elements of male culture can be harmful to men, the socialization of pain and potential victimization as normal is a very good fit for that. The pathologization of normal male behavior is also harmful to men.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Yo, what is this discussion even about. Because all I'm seeing is three pages of "actually, you are" and I can't even tell what the topic is. Whether roughhousing is inherently problematic.
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