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Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty

Alain Post posted:

how many series have ford pulled out of since this ad. already see V8SC and WRC

They pulled out of WRC before the picture even, so they're taking credit for the M-Sport built cars. To be fair, the engines are still Ecoboost, same as the Motorbase built BTCC Focii.

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FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

VikingSkull posted:

this is a bit off topic but goddamn Fuzzy post in C-SPAM instead

never go full D&D

I don't get that place now.

Pre-election everyone was generally on the same page.

Post-election? Overtaken by Hillary worshippers. it's bizarre. They're really big fans of painting everyone that doesn't agree with them with the same lovely brush. It's getting sad that I've had more constructive political conversations with people on the other side of the aisle as of late..

(sorry to get political. I really don't give a poo poo who anyone voted for in here. SASCAR, IndieCar goons are awesome.)


harperdc posted:

I don't think Mercedes is doing it either, if anything they'll put more into IMSA (as in, support Penske in DPi in 2018). I still think if FCA wants to establish Alfa they do so with IndyCar, but that's just me.

It might be Toyota if they want bang-for-buck, but that goes along with WEC (which I know is an engineering project) and WRC (unsure). Wonder how their NASCAR adventure has been helping them, I feel like they perhaps had better brand recognition in the mid-1990s because back then everything was white/orange/red and TOYOTA all over.

all said I'm excited still for IndyCar and if anybody has any tips on finding the 1:64 diecasts I'm all ears.

Toyota post-IMSA, Off Road racing seems to be the story of entering a series just as it's entering it's downward spiral.

They timed going to CART just as the "Split" happened. With cup? they went right as that bubble was popping.

I do think that Toyota's ads for Cup kinda miss the mark often. The CART ads were kinda fun, highlighted the technological aspect of their involvment in the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ZwQloe2XQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMKmt1oHu30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtb-i46bM7s

Versus the Cup ads which are....these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8GNaVgQgg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KZp0MlfPNk

e: Bonus? The GOAT on Toyota

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfz0oneL0OE

FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 1, 2017

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
seriously post in C-SPAM the Liberal Tears thread is funny as gently caress

and this is my last derail post on that subject

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

VikingSkull posted:

seriously post in C-SPAM the Liberal Tears thread is funny as gently caress

and this is my last derail post on that subject

I'll have to join ya in there sometime. Tell me about it more in the next synchtube we're in together bud.

(and you had better bring some short track racing for us to watch).

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Texas lowering the banking in 1 and 2 from 24 degrees to 20.

http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/01/01-06-TMS-repave

Bentai
Jul 8, 2004


NERF THIS!


It'll be interesting to see how that affects the racing. Also very glad they're putting in a good drainage system. As much as I loved the rain delay antics last year, racing is more betterer.

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind
Oval rain tires, dammit. Drivers go as fast as they dare.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


WindyMan posted:

Oval rain tires, dammit. Drivers go as fast as they dare.

If we could somehow figure out how to do oval racing in the wet without killing everyone...jesus, every non-oval series would just go bankrupt.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Isn't the core problem with that the sheer forces involved in modern oval racing being incompatible with any sort of tread blocks? For that matter, what was the last 500 winner to have any real tread on the tires? Clark's Lotus 38? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want so much as a sprinkle under those tires, but it seems like downforce and full slicks came hand in hand.

You could probably string together a few laps with road course levels of downforce, but you'd have 2005 USGP levels of tire wear.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


WindyMan posted:

Oval rain tires, dammit. Drivers go as fast as they dare.

Brian Barnhart agrees, but wants to just use slicks.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

I mean they could do it, they would just go slow as hell. Also the racing would blow rear end because rooster tails+limited grooves on ovals would mean nobody would even get close to each other. Thats basically what happens when it rains at the Daytona 24, everyone spaces out perfectly equidistant to each other going through the banking.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Get NASA to work fixing all of those problems.

Actually don't, they need every cent right now.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


WindyMan posted:

Oval rain tires, dammit. Drivers go as fast as they dare.

Do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nNXHHqJDqg

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner

95 they were testing short tracks and road courses for rain. Only road courses were deemed safe to drive in. I think it's time to try it again with 20 more years of tire tech advances. Hell Michelin has made an intermediate tire into a slick though loads on a p1 car and a cup car a little different.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

Hello! I see you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBzPqTzd04&t=6338s

Kind of a random choice for an official upload there.

2002 CART was weird to watch at the time. I was a pretty casual viewer then and had no idea how badly CART was doing behind the scenes, but it was obvious from the start of that season that this was not a healthy racing series. The 18-car grid in the first race (with a bunch of major sponsors missing from the cars that were there) was a monumentally sad sight, and Eurosport's coverage had gone from pretty decent (most races shown live, here in :finland: we even got Finnish commentary for many of the 2001 races) to "whatever, just show the highlights at 1 AM a week later" as they had realized the situation.

Gotta say though, those are still some really good-looking race cars. I especially like the KOOL schemes.

DMorbid fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jan 7, 2017

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
2002 was the last decent CART/Champcar season. When Penske left it was the beginning of the end.

Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty

Also notable for Ganassi scraping together a 3rd car for Dixon halfway through the season when PacWest went under.

15 years later he's still there.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

Hello! I see you.


Huh, I forgot PacWest was still around at the start of 2002. I guess there were 20 cars on the grid in Mexico, then, which was still a pretty sorry sight compared to the previous year's 26-car field.

PacWest obviously never quite recovered from appearing in Driven. :v:

Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty

The start is the operative word there, I don't think they made it more than 2 or 3 rounds.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Sigma Autosport also folded up after 5 races, which is why Ganassi picked up Dixon to keep the field at 18, which was the series contractual minimum for the races.

I did like Sigma's schemes, while they lasted.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
its me im the adorable little shark

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Cygni posted:

Sigma Autosport also folded up after 5 races, which is why Ganassi picked up Dixon to keep the field at 18, which was the series contractual minimum for the races.

I did like Sigma's schemes, while they lasted.



Love that Lola.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 14 days!)

Cygni posted:

Sigma Autosport also folded up after 5 races, which is why Ganassi picked up Dixon to keep the field at 18, which was the series contractual minimum for the races.

I did like Sigma's schemes, while they lasted.



Reminds me of my favorite car in Flag To Flag:

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Gurney left just as the Toyota's just started coming around.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
PJ Jones is a huge dumbass though.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Human Grand Prix posted:

PJ Jones is a huge dumbass though.

Met him at Legends Day! Awesome guy!

Came close to meeting his dad, but the blue shirts [interns] were acting like loving dicks. ("HE'S GOT. TO. GO. HE DOESN'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU FANS!" Bullshit. Parnelli doesn't roll like that). I always felt lovely that I didn't know a lot of the 70's guys there..but they had a who's who of former IRL dudes who were really friendly.

Shoutout to my one friend online for knowing about Bentley Warren though. I impressed him with the fact I knew about his short track career. (trying to ping Viking in here).

e: Go to loving Legends Day btw. They run all the old cars on track and it's awesome. Go. Go. Go. Go.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
wasn't Page Jones pretty promising

Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty

Cygni posted:

Sigma Autosport also folded up after 5 races, which is why Ganassi picked up Dixon to keep the field at 18, which was the series contractual minimum for the races.

So basically Dixon's entire career is an accident of contract?

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Much less of an accident than Helio's career at Penske. People knew Dixon was really talented so he probably would've been picked up by one of the big teams eventually.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Franchitti's rookie season consisted of him driving his rear end off and then getting hosed over repeatedly by various factors.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Human Grand Prix posted:

Franchitti's rookie season consisted of him driving his rear end off and then getting hosed over repeatedly by various factors.

My dad was team manager. They were pissed that Mercedes was sticking them with some dumb, young touring car driver in order for Hogan to get free engines. By the 2nd race, nobody was complaining anymore.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
It's unfair that his results that season don't really reflect how well he performed. I think in the Rookie championship he finished behind both Carpantier and Salles, both of whom didn't drive nearly as well.


The Hogan looked pretty drat cool though.


Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

i went to TF to see if some goober had already posted a "MAYBE CARL IS COMING TO INDYCAR" post, and there was already a 26 post thread about it. drat, theyre quick.

also a potential young Mexican driver with Carlos Slim support testing for SSM's third car:

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/137620-indycar-auto-gp-champ-to-test-with-spm

seems to have been driving all over the place with mixed results, but some wins. apparently won the Auto GP title last year, which i forgot existed.

Cygni fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jan 11, 2017

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

Cygni posted:

i went to TF to see if some goober had already posted a "MAYBE CARL IS COMING TO INDYCAR" post, and there was already a 26 post thread about it. drat, theyre quick.

I can do you one better on that front.

https://twitter.com/Indys18Wheels/status/818846793148624897

It's on the internet posted by a gimmick transporter account, it must be true!!!!1

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Cygni posted:

i went to TF to see if some goober had already posted a "MAYBE CARL IS COMING TO INDYCAR" post, and there was already a 26 post thread about it. drat, theyre quick.

also a potential young Mexican driver with Carlos Slim support testing for SSM's third car:

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/137620-indycar-auto-gp-champ-to-test-with-spm

seems to have been driving all over the place with mixed results, but some wins. apparently won the Auto GP title last year, which i forgot existed.

I remember AutoGP was pretty weak back when I first heard about it (probably when Pippa Mann contested the Sonoma rounds way back when). Can't imagine the field has become much stronger.

e: LOL in the 2016 season only 9 drivers started a race in the series and only 2 drivers competed in all of the rounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auto_GP_Formula_Open_Championship

gret fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 11, 2017

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPDeqGsBCTP/

'bout drat time we had a Mexican driver back in the sport.

One of the biggest mistakes the sport did was pulling out of the Mexican and Canadian markets in that regard.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

http://autoweek.com/article/indycar...m_medium=social

3rd or 4th engine manufacturer in the sport.

strap the gently caress in boys.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

gret posted:

e: LOL in the 2016 season only 9 drivers started a race in the series and only 2 drivers competed in all of the rounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auto_GP_Formula_Open_Championship

and then it merged with BOSS... you legit cant make this poo poo up.

i love the idea of a series merging straight with BOSS instead of folding up shop like, sure, lets just cut out the middleman and get right to it.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah AutoGP is horrible.

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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
Wasn't AutoGP just using the old A1GP ex-Ferrari cars or something

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