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piL
Sep 20, 2007
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ManMythLegend posted:

I missed this in a drunken stupor when it was posted, but it's 100% true.

For those curious, Command Pay is a whopping $50 a month.

But hey, sign up to be a mark VI Captain during your shore tour! Normally you'd have to suck half a dick a week to get $50 a month, unless you're in Norfolk.

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piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Once we got "chicken cordon blue" from Malaysia. It felt like the most literalist contractor thing in my life and I'm sure they made them just for us. It was a chicken hot dog, wrapped in bacon and cheese and breaded for frying. Someone absolutely read the Wikipedia article without ever seeing one and then made a case of the things.

:barf:

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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boy are my arms tired posted:

san diego owns bones. everyone here is super chill and helpful, nice weather and my roommates are cool too

any area recommendations? still phase 1 so cant really go out yet but soon enough

18-24 Downtown/Gas Lamp, Pacific Beach (PB)
24-35 North Park, Hillcrest, and whatever is just north of Little Italy,
30-40 South Park, Mission Valley, Serra Mesa?
40+ Santee? Oceanside?

Music Venues: If you're into music (like going to shows), San Diego doesn't know what's good which means you can spend a bunch of money on lovely shows or see artists that will sell out in LA or Brooklyn.

See awesome shows at: Casbah, Soda Bar. Maybe SPACE? I can't get an read on that place. Don't bring your douchey friends.

Get frustrated or confused or just try you're luck at The Observatory, Black Cat, or Tower Bar

Pay too much for: venues in Oceanside, anything downtown, (exception: happy hour-this is a new discovery for me, but it's so competitive down there that their goal is to get you too drunk to leave)

I cannot emphasize enough: When you're allowed to live out in town (if that happens for you while you're here, I don't really know how that works) take trolly/bus access and bike range into account (i.e. parts of town are super vertical). Driving into 32nd Street routinely sucks and because everybody in the Navy is fat and antisocial, they need a lot of parking so everything is super spread out. If it's convenient, the trolley drops you off next to base and bicycles walk past traffic. I've only had to go to North Island a couple of times, but probably similar up there. This is especially true one you have a space at work where you can leave your stuff.

Same truth applies to motorcycles with the added benefit that you'll probably get smeared on road and get to use those GI bill benefits early, but have to do so while making GBS threads in a bag and riding a wheelchair.

Just kidding buy a mustang.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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This is a fairly common problem and it almost always generates animosity. Sailors are liabilities that require investment to make useful and there's a lack of rigorous assessment to determine whether or how a reservist you're getting can actually help.

My next experiment will be to take a first-class and make him a personal assistant. Follow DIVO or LPO or Chief around, get coffee, carry stuff, and help scum for office supplies until I see a 3M qualification. I'll probably get yelled at for it, but I don't know what else to do.

Edit: LingcodKilla, don't balk at doing something like cranking or sweeping--you're helping even if it's out of rate, but if you do get to avoid those tasks, find /something/ you can do to help out the division or the guys you're sent to help will decide you're deadweight and not worth the effort. Maintain rigorous documentation of qualifications, have them readily available,, get qualified, and request maintenance program instructions and guidance as soon as you can to get up-to-speed and be useful. Study tagout procedures and prepare to redemonstrate from the beginning at every command you go to. If you can find a way to make the process efficient, you can actually be useful!

piL fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 4, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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LingcodKilla posted:

My attitude is just go with the flow and don’t balk at anything in public. All AT ends sooner or later and I get to go home. I’m very interested in learning what my rate does with radios so legit looking forward to this. Creating accounts and fighting with printers is cool and all but that’s only half the rate.
My command is encouraging me to go and give some feedback/lay a path for future sailors to do it since we never ever go afloat.

Well then that's the path. When I was a baby ensign, my task was to UI every time until I could do something useful--hampered by the fact that everybody that knows how it works can't remember what it's like to not know how it works. Nobody likes a person who isn't useful for anything yet and nobody likes to be that person--the soonest you can find something that makes you an asset vice a liability, the happier you and everyone around you will be. If your command, the gaining command, and yourself can work together to find a way to fast track that, the better.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Stultus Maximus posted:

Yeah, there's a problem where if your contract that you sign with your recruiter doesn't include A school or C school, it's not funded and you aren't going. You get out of boot camp and sent to your first unit as an ET or OS or BM or whatever with literally no idea of what that actually entails.

That said, I never send that kind of sailor to a ship alone. I always make sure there are a few boots plus an experienced first class or chief so they actually learn something and become productive and everyone benefits. It doesn't benefit the reserves to get stuck as mess crankers and coffee bitches.

You're good people! That was the difference with our actual last useful batch. They showed up with an LT SWO, a chief and two of the first classes just left active duty a week before and were able to show everyone else what's what.

Compare to two IT2s with no shipboard experience showing up at 0900 on the first Monday of an avail, planning to be there for total of four days. We're here to help! Maintenance person qualified? Of course not. Sentry? No weapons quals. You're not touching my network. Here's a PQS, see you at check out Thursday.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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There's this thing called a career LaDR, and if you do all the stuff on it for your rate and the grade above you'll probably promote fast and be decent at your job.

PQSs have 100s and 200s that most people will tell you that you don't have to do, but which contain almost all of the questions you should be able to answer and where you're supposed to find the answer with roughly 80% accuracy.

Qualify for maintenance and qualify for a watch as soon as humanly possible so people get out of your grill, then your pin.

I'm surface so this might all be useless, which brings me to the next point: you're going to be told how to do your job twenty different ways by ten different people. Focus on what builds you personally and professionally. Focus on what you get to take with you. Study for your tests and be able to get every question right. Support your chain of command. Be able to justify any action with your COs philosophy and higher doctrine and you're generally untouchable. Practice organisation and learn how to preempt direction so people leave you alone. Don't waste other people's or your own time.

Edit: ask if those PQS prerequisites are really optional or n/a. If they're other PQS, they're probably not, work all of those too.

Edit: initial here if you plan to submit a statement and sign that you've received counseling.

piL fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 17, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Jimmy4400nav posted:

If a P-8 drops a sono buoy on a ship to get it to surrender, does the aircrew get the prize? :thunk:

They would have to crew it. But don't worry cyber warriors! https://www.lawfareblog.com/cyber-deterrence-scale
You can be a mercenary in the cyber war!

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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I saw a ton of Marines on base and was way more excited to see them than they were me and I yearned for an excuse to say, "Hey Marine, ----" but it never came up.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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https://news.usni.org/2018/04/03/us...-233538645&ct=t(USNI_NEWS_DAILY)&mc_cid=d3b524cdba&mc_eid=873b9e6d60

Navy procurement eavesdropped on my, 'build an MCM tender you sillies', put it in a time machine and apparently had been building it the whole time. I hope they're listening when I say make the next class of MCM smaller with an extendable mast so it can fit inside one of these things.

Ravager, Overkill, Rumble and Laserbeak already sound like MCM names!

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Nick Soapdish posted:

One of the ships in our squadron had a prostitution ring going on and it was traced via the cash cards.

Hey OS3, do a snack run for the watch team. My pin is 1234.


Man, it's two decks; why does OS3 always take so long?

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Deal with consequences, and good luck!

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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LingcodKilla posted:

I’m in DC being an office dweeb. Nothing exciting at all.

And I like it like that.

May your life be boring, may you die in your bed.

piL fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Apr 16, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Why do A schools have armed watches?

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Makes sense! I think on the spot turnovers are gone throughout most of the Navy now adays to avoid negligent discharges, aka a standard watchpop.

Also the Navy is an organisation that doesn't permit a Sailor to check whether battery operated emergency lighting is operable without a multiple page procedure, a ruler, a stopwatch, electrical safety gloves, eight (nine?) qualifications, an e-learning course, and a designation letter from the department head, so there's that...

piL fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 17, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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On root or in rout, and does the difference birthday anybody as much as me (no).

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:

I'm not about to play "he said, she said" with a junior sailor who did the right thing when I hosed around, so I when they asked me if I wanted to make a statement, I owned up. So we'll see.

I feel as though this is the right thing to have done, though I don't know that it'll help since the focus is going to be on the action itself. But I suspect you'll be a lot happier about the kind of person you are years later thanks to this action and mentality. It may build a will amongst the messes to salvage a career and a Sailor. Although that will depend on a lot of other factors outside your control, it almost will assuredly not happen if you don't keep your head on straight and continue to own it like you did.

Best of luck MBG.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Nick Soapdish posted:

Yeah but, as you and everyone knows, even if a senior leader doesn't agree with policy they can make enough obtuse statements to look like they're towing the line but you know they aren't.

Also cross-posting from the games thread because this is something in the great new Battletech game

I had been praying for a Battletech crossover with my Naval Career. Not what I was hoping for, but I'll take it.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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LingcodKilla posted:

I'm being sent to a security summit for two days next week. I cant believe this is what big Navy is actually like. Civilian cloths! Though with my flat top and porn stache nobody will mistake me for a civilian.


._. ...

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Hopefully our system continues to work as intended and push those people towards et it etc. I know I've met a couple of ITs who I thought, "I'd feel safer about our Network if you could tell me what a Linux was and why you think it's better than religion."

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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FrozenVent posted:

One time I was in Naples and I went to Pompéi, the brothel was pretty cool, do that.

Navy Thread: the brothel was pretty cool, do that.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Reservists on LCS is tough. The most useful thing I've had reservists do is escort duty during a maintenance avail where contractors outnumbered crew. It sounds like a waste of time but my guys were able to spend a couple of hours working on causalities without being called to the quarterdeck and it makes all the difference. The core LCS scheduled maintenance load isn't overly heavy (at least for non engineers); the sailors mostly drown in those uncounted sailor hours: collaterals, training requirements, correspondence with and management of contracted maintenance, programs, feed back reports, etc. These are difficult to load balance in a meaningful way to reservists who are probably unfamiliar with the systems and processes in the LCS unique snowflake model.

Since reservists show up with proof of weapons qualification almost never, the next most useful thing would probably be second signing tags? Assuming they show up with proof of those qualifications, that is.

I've also never been contacted ahead of time about what would be useful and what prework will get us there, but I'm just a lowly DIVO, and don't rate high enough for that level of planning. Usually just find out on a Monday that there are four unqualified first classes looking for tasking--outbrief will be on Thursday.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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boy are my arms tired posted:

anyone got any recommendations for apartments or areas in san diego? 2 bedrooms needed w/ pets allowed but otherwise we can work with stuff. trying to avoid military housing.

You can do fine without military housing in San Diego. What you need near you to be happy varies from person to person, but don't fall into the cute home lovely commute trap half the people I work with fall into.

Which base will you be commuting to?
What's the SO (if any) do for hobbies? For work?
Kids?
What resources (if any) do you value having in walking distance? In short driving distance? Bars, grocery, parks, restaurants, the beach, music venues, hiking, etc.
How many vehicles are you showing up with (parking is awful here, so ensuring you have parking should be part of your math, and if you like to go out, being able to do so without parking is highly valuable)
Consider mass transit availability or ease of biking to work if you're interested in those things. Some parts of San Diego are decently serviced by mass transit (depending where you want to go) others are impossible dreams.

Too expensive and/or too crowded unless you find a sweet spot on the edges: Downtown, Little Italy, Coronado island
Walkable, in town, probably has a grocery and things to do nearby: North Park, Hilcrest, Bankers Hill, East Village. Depending where your BAH is, you can get fairly under your BAH in these areas
On the edge: South Park, City Heights (most of City Heights is garbage, so be careful with this one), Kensington (this is a fairly quiet area, somewhat expensive in parts), Mission Hills, University Heights
Beachy places near town: pacific Beach, ocean beach
For the olds/truly in the burbs: Encinitas, Carlsbad, Santee

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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boy are my arms tired posted:

1) FASW Point Loma/32nd
2) Hiking, parks, beach, outdoorsy stuff. She translates so she is able to work anywhere there's wifi, essentially.
3) A 2 year old daughter.
4) I'm not that picky about walkable stuff, short drive or decent bike ride is good enough for us, but grocery stores, parks, restaurants, etc.

We were looking at mission valley since we found a few that will be decently under our BAH and they aren't too far from where I'd be going / decent areas, but I'll give those other areas a look. Thanks!

There's some nice places pro-dog on Craiglist around Oceanbeach/Point Loma I would definitely consider for sub $2600. If you're E6/O2 or above w/ dependents, BAH is going to clock around 3000+, otherwise around $2500. That area has access to beaches, best possible commute to FASW and not bad to 32nd Street, Mt Calliboro Park, which is pretty cool though you'll grow to loathe it due to proximity to work. A pretty nice restaurant scene only slightly outdone by North Park, Hillcrest, and Little India. Northern Point Loma has some Midwest style sprawl, which will get you access to groceries, etc. Very suburban feel away from OB.

I'd take a look at what's in PB (beach access, good restaurants, cool local businesses and a cool coffee shop/business center for the wife) as well. Brah is part of the local dialect.

Mission Valley is well priced for homes if you live a rich internal life, but super soulless, corporate and full-of-malls. And guarded from transit by an enormous hill and interstate access, so you'll only be biking to those malls. But good car access to all of San Diego with good homes rates. Just expect to drive often, if never super far. Enjoy access to everything San Diego has to offer if you can overcome the inertia of driving.

Mission Hills, though pushing the upper end of BAH isn't too bad either, with great access.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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You can (used to be able to) call taxis to the mwr building and while Naha and most things worth seeing (the aquarium) are kind of far unless you're spending a night out in town. Walking by the shops near Kadena was alright. Or just take a cab to the Don Quixote nearby and buy a bunch of snacks.

Yeah, White Beach is pretty awful.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Okinawa is still better than Guam.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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M_Gargantua posted:

If you see a white girl on guam she's either in the military, a military spouse, or an imported stripper

Pick two.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Re: reserve talk- Does anybody know how to request some reservists? I'm going to be gapped a billet, and it seems like there's this organisation that I should be able to just tap into.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Coming from MCM to LCS, I've never heard this title before, but it's a good direction to look and I'll send some investigatory emails. Thanks for the help!

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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PneumonicBook posted:

I swear to god if I get pulled to cover a gapped billet on an LCS...

:hfive:

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Thronde posted:


Hahahahahahah ahahahah gently caress the Navy.

2 signatures and the CO--where's LPO, LCPO, DLCPO, CCC, DIVO, DH and/or XO/CSO? What rank is your CO?

Genuine questions, I don't really know your situation.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Edit: drink beer and chu hais at a yakitori place so that you have chicken on a stick as required.

piL fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jul 5, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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NVM.

piL fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Aug 3, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Seamanship training I received prior to my first tour was three four hour simulator classes mostly struggling to tell the voice recognition software rudder and engine orders over and over again while it said orders to the helm, and one 'multiplayer' simulation with no navigation. Prior to my LCS tour, I went through maybe 200 hours of simulator training after four weeks of lecture that blew my adoc/bdoc (the pre and post divorce tour schools) out of the water. I think they're moving to something like that but for all ships, and the quality of adoc and bdoc is rumored to have been steadily on the rise since well before me.

I think it'll be hard to dislodge the training requirements this time but I've always assumed part of the motivation was to get people on actual ships observing actual seamanship earlier and more often. That notion won't disappear forever, nor is it entirely without merit.

Edit: It should not be ignored that personnel requirements of the Navy and merchants drive different paradigms. A lot of the time, new ensigns are provided opportunities to learn how to drive under tremendous amounts of supervision that don't exist in the manning constructs of the merchant fleet. You're expected to learn to drive the ship with little simulator time, but there's maybe 20 OOD qualified personnel onboard a DDG/CG/LSD, often in a supervisory or at least concurrent role ready to hop in or provide guidance at a moment's notice.

This distribution can sometimes be too much where an assumption that somebody else is there to handle a problem can be made, but generally there's a large network of aggregated skill, though less in any particular individual when compared to merchants. Most warships are also more highly maneuverable than your average merchant ship, meaning that when things line up the bad, as long as you're observing safe speed, you can power your way out of a trouble area considerably easier.

The lack of power, response, equipment redundancies and personnel redundancies mean a merchant can be more likely to face a harrowing situation alone and so needs a lot more training and experience than a cog in the standard issue Navy style bridge.

piL fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Aug 4, 2018

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

It’s all volunteer right? So they can’t run off the tears of the e nothing doing 100 hour weeks because they can just quit.

It’s amazing how people will actually give a poo poo and learn stuff when they’re not treated like expendable slaves.

I can't speak for JMSDF working hours, but given what JMSDF employees could expect for employee valuation and working hours in most other professions in Japan, there may be other variables involved that are difficult to isolate.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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I've been kicking this around since they tried to axe ratings. Is it dumb? How could it be better?

Return the old rates, sailors can hold multiple ratings at a time, but each one has specific qualification requirements (like ESWS). You get to wear the one you want that's relevant to your current job. Instead of relying solely on NECs and schools for billet elligibility, personnels ratings and their qualification level within determine what they can apply for, so a PC can still exist, but if there's not enough PC jobs because we closed all our bases in the 90s, he can multiclass pick up LS so he's not useless to the service, but gets preference for PC type jobs over a non-PC holding LS during billet selection.

My thought is that you may retain espirit de corps and tradition of ratings, allow personnel to pursue and communicate areas of preference or expertise, and provide the flexibility the Navy needs when it's clear it no longer needs lithography or it needs to place personnel in skill-adjacent billets. Ideally, it would provide validation to the ETs performing IC work and HTs performing DC work. I'd love to hear where this idea falls apart before I proselytize too much.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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EBB posted:

no but it gives me an excuse to post this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9sIT6P_05I

Someone make versions of holiday safety standdowns like this so people actually pay attention and save a life.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Kawasaki Nun posted:

Could've bought 700+ tomahawks and probably gotten a discount.

Is the point of these so a single ship could transport troops and provide support fire for an amphibious landing or something? Seems like if we were landing Marines on a contested beachead there'd be more than just a destroyer or two in the area

The following is entirely conjecture
Tomahawks are nice, but they're part of a precision warfare mindset. The capacity is too low and the cost too high to fill the same role as shore bombardment, which can effect more like highly mobile and extremely potent artillery in its cost per effect and the duration of it's sustainment.

Destroyers only have a 13mi range (src: Wikipedia) on their 5in gun, the largest currently in the American fleet, which means that the support from a destroyer can only reliably reach that+ distance to safe water from the destroyer. Compared to the 24 mi of a battleships 16 inch, with a 2,700 lb payload that dwarfs a tomahawk and a price point likely considerably cheaper (when crew size isn't part of the math), and you can start to see a capability gap--at least compared to what military thinkers putting on O-6 in the 90s thought. You can tomahawk the poo poo out of something, but a ddg will tap itself after 4 days of hourly fire support missions if it used tomahawks for that purpose, only one per hour AND that destroyer didn't utilize any of it's VLSs for air defense

So, the thought seems to be: make us a gun to support troops at a more reasonable sustainment and price point. The requirements exceeded capability, and for asymmetic warfare the costs of aircraft and missiles weren't prohibitive since enemy forces were never amassed or capable of denial. The price point swells and the original intent is lost in the beauacracy. Someone makes a bullet more expensive than an airplane and finally the runaway train is halted.

piL fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Dec 8, 2018

piL
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M_Gargantua posted:

THe issue there is that you have a completely wrong cost per effect measure.

Modern PGMs are close enough to a 1:1 body per bomb floor. If a pgm costs a million but is guarenteed to kill at least the single personn it’s aimed at the its still close to 3x as cost effective as mass bombardment of an area where you think hostiles are. There is always the vague and unquantifiable value of morale loss to enemy infantry from constant unguided bombardment but I’ll leabs that as an exercise for the Airpower thread. Per your example even classic 16” guns aren’t nearly as cost effective as modern munitions.

Another way to think of it is that if a pgm takes out a bunker or a tank or a single infantryman it was worth it because of the guaranteed kill without accidental collateral.

I don't mean to say that I agree with the calculus, but in the 90s when they came up with it, people were looking at 40 years of warplans that assume 24 mi bombardment, not 13. Those 11 miles is the difference between ground troops fighting with support ending just outside of downtown LA (congrats on occupying Inglewood) vice support ending just outside of Anaheim (who wants Anaheim anyway).

I think 24 to 13 itself was enough to cause people to throw money at the problem, but there's also a fundamental difference between a missile and a shell when it comes to denial. A quarter inch fragment of anti-air artillery or missile (e.g. RAM) is a mission kill to a cruise missle; it's a rounding error to a 1 ton+ shell. This means that a denial strategy's probability of kill vice TLAM is higher than with a normal shell. I suspect that calculus is altered once you add rocket boosters and stabilizer fins to the payload, but that's probably after the initial motivation to pursue the technology.

My point is that bombardment has a quality independent of its own distinct from precision strike that affects what options a commander has. The program may have failed to meet requirements and those requirements may have been doomed from the start, but the answer isn't as simple as, 'tomahawks do the same job but better further', and I'm mostly trying to defend that maintaining bombardment capability after decomming big guns isn't just some absurd failure of our senior military analysts to recognize that missiles exist.

piL fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Dec 8, 2018

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LingcodKilla posted:

So.....bring back battleships?

But with rail guns.

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