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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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I'd heard the Ticos were falling apart, but I didn't think that meant the crews were, too: http://nypost.com/2017/10/10/us-navy-crew-monitoring-north-korea-says-ship-is-a-floating-prison/

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about when I say the Navy does a lot of things better than the AF.

I remember hearing a saying that went "If there's not a rule forbidding it, you can do it in the Navy. In the Air Force, just assume it's written down somewhere, and don't do it."

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Oct 11, 2017

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

It's almost certainly written down. There are so many AFIs, which all have MAJCOM supplementals, which have Wing (sometimes Numbered AF as well) supplementals, and then OGIs to reinterpret all that, then squadron policies, there's no room for innovation anywhere.

Anyway, back to NAVCHAT.

This is making me kind of happy I decided to not go for bombers before the cutoff age because I wasn't sure about eyesight guidelines.

Anyway, speaking of something that sounds like surveys/focus groups were involved: http://screenrant.com/top-gun-2-maverick-navy-modern/

The Navy is very different now than it was in 1986. Back then, they hadn’t been in any war for 15 or 20 years at that point. The tone of that movie and what those guys were doing was very different. Now, here in 2017, the Navy’s been at war for 20 years. It’s just a different world now, so you can’t remake the first movie. It has to adapt. That being said, I certainly want to recreate the experience of that movie, which gives you a front-seat into the world of Naval aviation and what it’s like to be in a fighter jet. The approach is going to be appropriate for the times we live in.

So in other words, every pilot fresh out of the RAG is going to be shorter than Tom Cruise, and all of the middle-aged ones are going to be doing nothing but talking about what airline they want to fly for. Sounds like a really fun movie. And evidently "Maverick" did one hell of a transition when they shitcanned the turkeys: http://screenrant.com/tom-cruise-top-gun-2-helicopter-training/

I guess that puts to rest the belief he'd be an Admiral in the sequel, because helo pilot flag officers are pretty loving rare.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Oct 11, 2017

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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It's about as plausible as him still being a field agent in an "Impossible Mission Force" at 55. He's actually older now than Tom Skerritt was (~53) when he played Viper.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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vulturesrow posted:

Something corporate in the Seattle area.

Couldn't you just pretty much automatically transition from *flying* Boeings to helping Boeing *sell* Boeings?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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vulturesrow posted:

Well, its a little more difficult than "automatic." Boeing's military stuff is all pretty much done out of St Louis, and I have no desire to move there. Plus Boeing, being an older company, is a little more staid and static, i.e. like the military. I'm trying to get as far away from that mindset/culture as humanly possible.

Makes sense - and I don't blame you. I try to make it up to Seattle as often as I can for a break from the DC area's BS.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

AF fighter pilot bonus is up to $455,000 now. $432k didn't work, so I doubt this will.

*orders ~1,700 F-35As, can't find enough pilots to eventually fly them*

Hope you don't mind being forcibly transitioned (to the inevitable mini AWACS variant), G. :v:

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 20, 2017

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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M_Gargantua posted:

If they lower the bar that far I'll fly one. Independence day style: "WHO HERE HAS EVER PLAYED FLIGHT SIMULATOR?"

"I've played Ace Combat games, so I've flown *way* more advanced airplanes than this one! It has 500 missiles, right?"

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

I danced out the door in 2012. Navy contractor now.

:coolfish:

Still, I look forward to the "gee, I really wish we had more STEM grads" ~woulda-coulda-shoulda-ing~ about to happen with regards to aviation, both in the civilian *and* military space. Hell, it's already happening.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

I danced out the door in 2012. Navy contractor now.

:staredog:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/20/air-force-recall-many-1-000-retired-pilots-address-serious-shortage/785344001/

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

I was an AWACS controller, not a pilot. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they wanted to recall us though...they booted/released a lot of people in 2011/12/13/14. So many people are getting out as O-3s (as the commitment expires) that O-2s are flying in positions previously held by O-4s...there just aren't enough left.

They brought volunteer retirees back on active duty in 2010 because there weren't enough O-4s/O-5s, so it really wouldn't surprise me.

poo poo, I always get you mixed up with Hollybloops because you were both AWACS guys.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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I will love Top Gun 2 forever if they bring Tom Cruise back in Les Grossman form, and have a scene at some squadron reunion between he and Iceman where they both look at each other and sigh dejectedly.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

Maverick goes to prison for sexual assault in the O-club women's room.

"RED LIGHT, COMMANDER!"

"drat straight, 'red light,' baby. :heysexy:"

(if they remove ten years from Cruise's true age, if he's any more than an O-5 or *maybe* an O-6 it's going to be stupid)

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

Top Gun isn't memorable because of the dark atmosphere, or the deep and coherent plot. It's fighter jet porn, gay jokes, and one-liners.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Phanatic posted:

So this is really a remake of Firebirds.

What I loved about that movie was that it started out with Cobras, which are a whole hell of a lot more maneuverable than Apaches when it comes to helo vs. helo combat, because they present a smaller target and weigh less, but ~noooo~, gotta have a love letter to the Apache because it's more expensive and photogenic. The most realistic part of that movie was the idea that the Army/DoD would spend millions of dollars to train pilots in helo-on-helo combat rather than providing top cover with a flight of F-15Cs out of Tyndall. A souped-up OH-6 ain't gonna try *poo poo* with an AWACS up top and a bunch of hungry and horny Eagles ready to light up whatever gets declared hostile.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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"Navy ain't got no pilots, Navy's got *aviators*." :clint:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Sir Lucius posted:

Hi guys, I got IDW qualified. Worst experience of my navy career.

Chick at a bar: "So what do you do for a living?"

You: "I'm a Dominance Specialist."

Her: :swoon:

You, later: "Technically I didn't lie to you..."

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Red Crown posted:

Somewhere, someone knew. They did it just to hurt people.

Somewhere, someone at NAVSEA is writing up a classified PSYOPS report on the "PB&J Paradox."

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Let me put it this way - a guy I grew up with became the Division Officer and a NUC on the Virginia...

...and now he's a project manager cum HVAC engineer now that he's out. I remember thinking when I saw he'd been on the Seawolf and Virginia that he was going to be able to write his own ticket with regards to nuclear engineering, but now he's in Boston working for a consulting firm.

Apologies in advance if you're lurking in here, Tom.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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I emailed my father about this - he worked as a detailer for a good fraction of his career in-between billets at HC squadrons (should kind of date him since those don't exist anymore) ultimately ending up commanding one, and he said the best thing that ever happened to him in the Navy was flunking out of Nuke School early on in his career. Frank Kelso, who'd go on to become a CNO, was the commandant at Nuke School while he was going through it, and very proactively told my father to "find something else to do in the Navy."

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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M_Gargantua posted:

diamonds harden under pressure into something beautiful and consistent.

nukes harden under pressure, concealing a bitter and depressed nougat core

It's a hell of a bullet point for a CV: "Endured a job so miserable that nothing you could offer me to do for pay would ever conceivably be worse...not retail. (2018-2026)"

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Laranzu posted:

I'm legit blitzed and on shoreb duty as a not nuke and that was the worst thing ever.

Yeah, if you're going to mumble incoherently into a cheap Plantronics headset, at least include a lyric sheet.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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PneumonicBook posted:

The foods better!

Plus he'll become noseblind to pretty much all BO! :v:

Oh, heh - some nuke guy wrote an article about what it's like to be a nuke submariner: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1276-6-things-movies-dont-show-you-about-life-submarine.html

"While I was in "A" school, we had one girl take a bunch of pills and try to off herself. In power school there was a guy who took a swan dive off of a third-story balcony. Last we heard, he was a vegetable. Yet another girl took the pill route; a dude started cutting himself and got kicked out. You probably have similar stories about your time at college, except in this case, those casualties are out of a class of about 20 people. It doesn't help that the Navy already has the highest rate of attempted suicide in the armed forces. There's a reason the mothers of Nukes have their own support group."

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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I'd imagine every so often you have to ignore the sound of a silenced gunshot or man being garrotted, but hey, international waters. Ain't no one's business.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:

Funny story we will be in xxxxx later this month

Isn't that a way for an enterprising internet detective to find out what superyacht you work on? :ohdear:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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It's because the job requires misery that can only come from squandered youth. It's not fission that makes the reactors achieve fission, it's your soul.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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MrMojok posted:

LF, have you ever considered Naval Special Warfare? You're still within the cutoff age for that and I think a determined, self-motivated fellow like yourself is just what they are looking for

It comes with a free book deal nowadays!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Yeah, "Air Force" + "annoyed and frightened [and quite a few rich] white people complained."

Seriously, people thought ~9/11~ was happening again because their precious NorCal quietude was disturbed.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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"Sorry, boys or Missy - but your glorious skycock isn't going to cost me my third star." :commissar:

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:

the real question is who is worse with the cringey stuff, AF or Navy?

They're both equally cringey, the AF is just more regimented and rule-oriented. The AF gets to spend more time in hotels, though - so that might nudge the needle a touch over to their side.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Godholio posted:

Quality of AF hotel life is overrated. I've stayed in one that had a 15" monitor set up as the tv and about a 2 ft diameter bloodstain in the carpet, and another where the bed was a loving hide-a-bed in a chair, not even a couch. The average room was roughly Motel 6 quality. The closest thing to a standout was an airport Hilton in Tampa, which was nothing particularly special.

Yeah, except as lovely as a hotel can be, you're always able to go to a bar to get drunk enough to not *care* that you'll be bringing a colony of bedbugs home with you.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Obviously the solution to the collision problem is an all-battleship Navy or all ships with a large enough displacement to do more damage than they receive.

At this rate we're going to have a real life enactment of the "ship vs. lighthouse" chicken story eventually.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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I wonder how watches are scheduled on the Zumwalts.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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6-10" of snow in the Hampton Roads area is gonna be pretty paralyzing.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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LingcodKilla posted:

So.... traffic will be slightly worse than normal?

For once all the MOLON LABE-emblazoned tiny-dick trucks with their six foot ground clearances will be useful!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Proud Christian Mom posted:

They'll be upside down in a ditch

I fail to see how that makes my statement any less true or optimistic.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Madurai posted:

The Navy desperately wanted everyone to believe that the antiship version of Tomahawk worked, but they just couldn't keep a straight face after a while.

I still remember trying to mount Harpoon and Tomahawk strikes on Red Navy fleets in Harpoon 2 and having to spend hours coordinating multi-vector strikes with jamming and tanker support - so the ship and sub-launched weapons reached the target area at roughly the same time as the strike packages, and still burning through hundreds of weapons for what still often turned out to be a coin toss.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Nostalgia4Ass posted:

Have you looked at Command: Modern Air Naval Operations? It's the spiritual successor to Harpoon and super groggy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command:_Modern_Air_Naval_Operations

Yeah - I actually just bought Command: Shifting Sands tonight and the most recent "Live" scenario while they're on sale at Steam, and I'm looking out for the sub-centric stand-alone, too. I've not had the time to get as invested in it as I once was with H2, though.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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CMD598 posted:

I still don't have a ticket but I do have a memo telling me I'm gonna sit in SeaTac for like 15+hrs.

You can buy a day pass for Alaska Lounges for $45: https://www.alaskaair.com/content/airport-lounge/day-pass

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

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Life imitates art - much like it is in Mario games, getting stars makes you invulnerable to everything but falling down a hole.

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