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I remember an explanation, but I don't remember if it was here, Tumblr, or some other place on the internet where it basically explained it in terms of Pokemon. Superman is resistant to most types of damage, except magic which does normal damage, and kryptonite which is super-effective.
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I would not at all be surprised if it was Chris Sims.
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Jan 6, 2017 02:15
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Roth posted:I remember an explanation, but I don't remember if it was here, Tumblr, or some other place on the internet where it basically explained it in terms of Pokemon. Steel has the most resistances and Kryptonite would be a Rock type. Superman being a flying/steel makes sense. According to Google Skarmory is the only one. Someone do an art where it evolves into Superman once it takes off its glasses.
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Jan 6, 2017 02:44
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Chaos Hippy posted:That's about the whole of it. A magic sword can cut him, but it won't hurt him any more than it hurts anyone else. It's been said that Shazam has a slight edge on Superman in a fistfight because his strength is fuelled by magic, but it's still a mostly even match. Captain Marvel/Shazam was owning Superman pretty hard in Kingdom Come. The whole point of magic sword vs regular sword is that a regular sword wouldn't cut Superman while a magic sword would. The magic part just makes Superman vulnerable.
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Jan 6, 2017 02:55
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Yea I don't get why 'the sword would hurt him as much as anyone else' is a weak thing. Swords hurt people really fuckin well. The entire point of the magic sword making Superman treat a sword like a normal person would is that swords tend to kill normal people really easy.
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Jan 6, 2017 03:03
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Madkal posted:Captain Marvel/Shazam was owning Superman pretty hard in Kingdom Come. Anyway, we're getting into the active vs. passive magic thing that gets confusing.
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Jan 6, 2017 03:11
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You know what I miss that I thought maybe was coming back a couple years back? Marvel doing crossover stories in annuals. There was a good one with Spider-Man, The Inhumans, and Captain America. And then another with Nova, Iron Man, and the X-Men. I loved the ones they used to do in the '90s. They were never high quality reads but they were often fun. Stuff like Atlantis Attacks, Terminus Factor, Korvac Quest, Kings of Pain, Citizen Kang, and so on.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea I don't get why 'the sword would hurt him as much as anyone else' is a weak thing. Swords hurt people really fuckin well. The entire point of the magic sword making Superman treat a sword like a normal person would is that swords tend to kill normal people really easy. That's entirely correct. We're only specifying "as vulnerable as anyone else" in contrast to kryptonite, which will gently caress him up just from being in the vicinity. With a magic sword you still have make the effort of running him through.
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Jan 6, 2017 04:17
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It still makes no sense to me that a magic sword would cut a guy who's invulnerable to bullets if it can't already cut through tanks or whatever.
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Jan 6, 2017 04:34
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Magic makes sense in the way that you need a weakness for a being who is pretty much invulnerable, otherwise there wouldn't be a threat to him. Think of magic as something that breaks his super-invulnarable shield. Magic bullets would probably hurt him too.
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Jan 6, 2017 04:41
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But there's no reason for him to have such a weakness. It makes sense if you say "You can turn him into a bunny same as anyone", but there's nothing about Superman's powers that has anything to do with magic, so there's no shield for magic bullets to pierce through. The weakness never made sense, and is dumb.
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Jan 6, 2017 04:45
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You're confusing the answer. The question isn't why is Superman weak to magic. The question is why do you think he wouldn't be? Everyone else who doesn't have magic powers is too.
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Jan 6, 2017 04:57
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Lurdiak's complaint isn't about magic. It's about magical items. It's a perfectly reasonable complaint and the answer is: it's comics shut up and stop complaining.
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Jan 6, 2017 04:59
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Actually I think his complaint is mostly that you have to explicitly show the magical item loving up a tank because you can't have magic inconsistently obey the laws of physics somehow.
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Jan 6, 2017 05:06
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Lurdiak posted:But there's no reason for him to have such a weakness. It makes sense if you say "You can turn him into a bunny same as anyone", but there's nothing about Superman's powers that has anything to do with magic, so there's no shield for magic bullets to pierce through. The weakness never made sense, and is dumb. He's more powerful than a locomotive and so are magic swords. It's pretty clear.
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Jan 6, 2017 05:08
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What if tanks are strong against magic because their steel armour plating contains iron particles, which as we all know protects against ensorcellment and canonically acts as a kryptonite for the Seelie and their magic within the DC universe.
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Lurdiak posted:But there's no reason for him to have such a weakness. It makes sense if you say "You can turn him into a bunny same as anyone", but there's nothing about Superman's powers that has anything to do with magic, so there's no shield for magic bullets to pierce through. The weakness never made sense, and is dumb.
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Jan 6, 2017 05:20
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Could Thor's hammer do any serious damage against Superman?
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Jan 6, 2017 05:25
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Thor wins in Marvel universe, Superman wins in DC universe.
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Jan 6, 2017 05:43
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Read JLA/Avengers. It was a good fight.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Read JLA/Avengers. It was a good fight. I am trying to remember it (and I should re-read it) but the only fight I remember was the Batman vs Cap America fight which felt a bit like a cop out as far as fights go.
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Madkal posted:I am trying to remember it (and I should re-read it) but the only fight I remember was the Batman vs Cap America fight which felt a bit like a cop out as far as fights go. DC Vs. Marvel and JLA/Avengers are two different events, if you're thinking about Cap fighting Batman in the sewers.
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Jan 6, 2017 05:51
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Mr. Maltose posted:DC Vs. Marvel and JLA/Avengers are two different events, if you're thinking about Cap fighting Batman in the sewers. Never read DC vs Marvel, just JLA/Avengers in which Batman and Cap size each other up and decide to call it a draw.
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Chaos Hippy posted:That's entirely correct. We're only specifying "as vulnerable as anyone else" in contrast to kryptonite, which will gently caress him up just from being in the vicinity. With a magic sword you still have make the effort of running him through. fair point there yea, there is still that level of scaling.
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Jan 6, 2017 06:12
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A magic sword that is infinitely sharp due to magic can cut Superman. A magic sword that's simply on fire should do nothing.
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Jan 6, 2017 07:54
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Aphrodite posted:A magic sword that is infinitely sharp due to magic can cut Superman.
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Jan 6, 2017 08:19
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I saw Superman get bit by just a regular vampire one time.
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Jan 6, 2017 08:29
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Also to go back a few steps, Superman is often depicted as not especially resistant to sonic attacks either. It makes sense, since if you find Superman's frequency you're causing his body to vibrate and tear itself apart. Similarly Superman should also be vulnerable to aikido.
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X-O posted:You know what I miss that I thought maybe was coming back a couple years back? Marvel doing crossover stories in annuals. There was a good one with Spider-Man, The Inhumans, and Captain America. And then another with Nova, Iron Man, and the X-Men. I loved the ones they used to do in the '90s. They were never high quality reads but they were often fun. Stuff like Atlantis Attacks, Terminus Factor, Korvac Quest, Kings of Pain, Citizen Kang, and so on. That crossover was great fun. I was thinking of this one the other day. Its called 'Inhuman error' and I thought a neat way to show off the new inhuman characters, Plus a story fighting a crazy flying fortress of bird people is always fun. http://marvel.com/comics/collection/56476/amazing_spider-maninhumanall-new_captain_america_inhuman_error_trade_paperback Its also $1.78/£1.49 on amazon us/uk kindle and £2.99 on comicology so if any of you havnt read it now seems a good time.
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Aphrodite posted:A magic sword that is infinitely sharp due to magic can cut Superman. One suggestion I've heard is that while magic can bypass Superman's invulnerability (frequently characterised as a skintight invisible force field,) it doesn't change the fact that his superpowered body has far greater density than a human. So even if the magical property of a sword is specifically "can cut Superman," it still has to overcome his natural durability. If you'll permit a bit of wild speculation, it could be that his natural durability is essentially his Golden Age invulnerability, when "nothing short of an exploding shell" could hurt him.
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Superman is not any denser than a fit human of his height.
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He might have been, at some point. It's hard to keep up. I also don't know if the skintight forcefield explanation for his invulnerability is still valid.
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Jan 6, 2017 20:30
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Wizard calculated Superman<Thor<Silver Surfer.
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Magic beats the shields but it still cuts like it would on a regular human Seems simple enough
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WickedHate posted:Wizard calculated Superman<Thor<Silver Surfer. Ahem: Superman<Thor<Silver Surfer<Black Panther's Armlock
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Thor doesn't need a yellow sun to be Thor tho
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X-O posted:You know what I miss that I thought maybe was coming back a couple years back? Marvel doing crossover stories in annuals. There was a good one with Spider-Man, The Inhumans, and Captain America. And then another with Nova, Iron Man, and the X-Men. I loved the ones they used to do in the '90s. They were never high quality reads but they were often fun. Stuff like Atlantis Attacks, Terminus Factor, Korvac Quest, Kings of Pain, Citizen Kang, and so on. Those were great. I also loved the Summer Specials, Winter Specials, etc. A bunch of stories featuring different characters, some of which you wouldn't normally read.
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Madkal posted:Could Thor's hammer do any serious damage against Superman? Yes, because it's a very big hammer and Thor is going to be hitting him with it really hard.
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Couldn't Thor just punch Superman down and then put Mjolnir on him? If Superman can lift Mjolnir, Thor's hosed but he would've been hosed anyway if that was the case.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Yes, because it's a very big hammer and Thor is going to be hitting him with it really hard. There also may be magical lightning and KRAKATHOOMs being thrown around, and those can sting too.
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