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devildragon777 posted:I feel like avoiding all that would have required goons to not be running things though? There was definitely a tipping point somewhere in the thread where it suddenly seemed like a majority of people actively started choosing the worst choices in votes because "it's what Al-Andalus deserves" or whatever. Like enough bad things happened throughout the thread that people started actively voting for more bad things.
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Hey, at least it wasn't our fault when our allies decided to gently caress off without reason and that happened quite a few times.
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Talas posted:Hey, at least it wasn't our fault when our allies decided to gently caress off without reason and that happened quite a few times. Given what tends to happen to our allies, they were wise to do so.
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Ikasuhito posted:Given what tends to happen to our allies, they were wise to do so. You say that, but the Celts got at least fifty solid years of controlling half the Isle without being nuked.
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MaxieSatan posted:You say that, but the Celts got at least fifty solid years of controlling half the Isle without being nuked. We don't get credit for partially digging people out of holes we ourselves pushed them into! 
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WilliamAnderson posted:We did everything wrong and you know it. We could have avoided at least one of the three rivalries with Morocco, France, and Ireland. We could have not lost Ibriz. The second Taifa period was entirely avoidable. All of that stuff ruled though
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In retrospect, cheerleading for atomic bombings for half of HoI4 might have, in some small way, contributed to the outbreak of nuclear war. Still, I have no regrets.
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Jun 17, 2019 21:05
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TBF the Russians started it.
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Cerebral Bore posted:TBF the Russians started it.
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Cerebral Bore posted:TBF the Russians started it. QuoProQuid posted:mistakes were made, but i refuse to be held culpable for any of them
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vyelkin posted:There was definitely a tipping point somewhere in the thread where it suddenly seemed like a majority of people actively started choosing the worst choices in votes because "it's what Al-Andalus deserves" or whatever. Like enough bad things happened throughout the thread that people started actively voting for more bad things. I think it started when people wanted to game the system to become a Revolutionary Republic, I think. And then it happened someplace else and we'd hosed ourselves up for nothing. That one modded event that just randomly deletes alliances didn't help. This was, all in all, a fantastic LP, though. Maybe one day goons will make a world that doesn't end in blood and fire.
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vyelkin posted:There was definitely a tipping point somewhere in the thread where it suddenly seemed like a majority of people actively started choosing the worst choices in votes because "it's what Al-Andalus deserves" or whatever. Like enough bad things happened throughout the thread that people started actively voting for more bad things. I think every LP has accelerationists (most notably, Crete), but the people who popped up to say "actually making everything worse is a really good strategy for gaming this one mechanic" really did a number on things. Of course, by that point the Sultan was acting in direct opposition to the Majlis, and the religious tensions between the ruling class's sudden shift to Shia, contrary to the Sunni majority, and the persisting unrest from unassimilated northern christians were already tearing the country apart. Of course, I started reading the LP because of that one shot of fully-fitna'd Al Andalus, so I felt that not only do I not know what is "correct" to do in later paradox games, I don't think I actually want the best for Al Andalus as a whole, because that's a cool trainwreck to watch. And it's also why I recused myself from ever explicitly voting. There might've been some structural flaws with the party system, but it's a far braver thing than I've ever done to dare to submit yourself to goon legislation, so I can only commend Hashim on how well he did it. Even if it's fake imaginary politics, it really brings out something in people. I don't think it ever got as intense as Crete though.
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One day some brave soul will make a new full on Crete style lp and it will be amazing
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That one Reactionary government hosed everything up. I warned everyone that they'd regret it, but man it completely hosed up so much of the latter part of Vicky.
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All the accumulated mistakes got us to where we are now: Most of Western Europe under our irradiated thumb. That's the absolute best we've had the entire LP.
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I still maintain that it would've been pretty neat if you guys voted royalist more often to get more territorial gains in Europe rather than more and more ultimately doomed colonies. Of course the real mistake was voting to reinstitute the monarchy. Or the mistake was making a tired old man Sultan instead of getting a monarch with actual international ties to draw on. The thread had a habit of choosing the worst option of those presented.
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Don't forget making Super-France i.e. literally creating the End Boss right on our doorstep
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If only we’d have gone with the Sunni Jizrunids in Toledo during the second Fitna
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Zikan posted:Don't forget making Super-France i.e. literally creating the End Boss right on our doorstep To be fair they were supposed to be our best friends, and in fact were up until the random alliance broken event.
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habeasdorkus posted:That one Reactionary government hosed everything up. I warned everyone that they'd regret it, but man it completely hosed up so much of the latter part of Vicky. Soooooo.... Essentially a realistic simulation of a real world reactionary government then 
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Slaan posted:Soooooo.... Essentially a realistic simulation of a real world reactionary government then Yep! We were able to get the Union out of it, which was at least much better than being Monarchists or Fascists, but man the SGA was awful and it all arose out of "oh we need some military tech."
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SlothfulCobra posted:I still maintain that it would've been pretty neat if you guys voted royalist more often to get more territorial gains in Europe rather than more and more ultimately doomed colonies. I've played a lot of ck2 but none of the other games. Is it even feasible to keep colonies in the new world through the later time period games? I don't think any of these mega lps have ever managed it. It seems like they're more there to give you a boost in income for awhile before they inevitably gain independence.
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It's not exactly trivial, but it's super easy to maintain control of colonies as long as you want within the mechanics. LP'ers pretty universally add self-imposed limitations or modded events/mechanics to make it harder on themselves, though, because centuries of endless dominance gets boring.
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I was thinking that I've never seen a lp that focused on the navy either. It seems like the story is always they revolt when the navy is at the bottom of the sea (which it is the majority of the time) so troops can't even be sent over to quell it. It might be cool to see a lp that focused on a small land power with a really good navy like the netherlands were.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:I was thinking that I've never seen a lp that focused on the navy either. It seems like the story is always they revolt when the navy is at the bottom of the sea (which it is the majority of the time) so troops can't even be sent over to quell it. It might be cool to see a lp that focused on a small land power with a really good navy like the netherlands were. I've always considered doing an LP in Malaya because that's where I'm from, but not starting in CK2 might feel a bit odd for a megaLP.
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Britain did it IRL, so I don't see why not. I think there's a degree of fatalism goons often have about colonies, since colonial imperialism is bad and has mostly ended in our world. A lot of real-world decolonization happened after WW2 though, so it'd be totally within range for a mega-LP. I wonder if any sad fool will ever try doing an LP where they take over the whole world and actually port the game into Stellaris.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Britain did it IRL, so I don't see why not. I think there's a degree of fatalism goons often have about colonies, since colonial imperialism is bad and has mostly ended in our world. A lot of real-world decolonization happened after WW2 though, so it'd be totally within range for a mega-LP. The Hansa lp pretty much ended with world domination, yeah?
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:The Hansa lp pretty much ended with world domination, yeah? That’s not fair, the Hansa had alien technology backing them up
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Using the fire of the gods to your own advantage IS one of the rules of business, probably.
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Ibblebibble posted:I've always considered doing an LP in Malaya because that's where I'm from, but not starting in CK2 might feel a bit odd for a megaLP. Play Iceland.
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Does anyone have the link to the old Crete thread, actually?Lord Cyrahzax posted:The Hansa lp pretty much ended with world domination, yeah? As I recall, it ended with robot aliens threatening to rain nuclear fire on the Hanseatic League unless it backed off of a few corners of the globe and goons, for once in their lives, deciding to accept a qualified victory instead of destroying the world.
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If I recall, in the epilogue, the Hanseatic, Socialist, and Space Alien Tech worlds slowly got used to living in peace and getting along and they translated alien speech into german and went to the stars in 1950.
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I believe there's a Total Conversion Mod for CK2 set in space that mixes elements of Dune, The Foundation and 40k. Alternatively a major mod of the starting regions and cultures of North
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Xelkelvos posted:I believe there's a Total Conversion Mod for CK2 set in space that mixes elements of Dune, The Foundation and 40k. Centuries past after nuclear fire destroys modern civilization what's left of humanity has barely held on and only now scrambles in the dust to begin to rebuild and to the west... Waono is still the exact same borders haven't moved an Inch.
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Jeoh posted:All the accumulated mistakes got us to where we are now: Most of Western Europe under our irradiated thumb. That's the absolute best we've had the entire LP. This is true. I have wanted a Muslim Rome since the early CK and EU4 days, and we did ultimately manage to create a mostly Islamic South Italy that annexed the Vatican. My biggest disappointments with our goonocracy were when people voted to allow the Imperialists to rampage across the Congo and when we opted for unrestricted nuclear war with the Russians. I’m sure that we have done some other morally atrocious things, but those votes for the trade in human hands and an atomic armageddon were among the most shameful. At least we were one of the earlier Great Powers to abandon slavery and forced Morocco to emancipate their own slaves after one of our numerous hellwars.
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I still am disappointed we re-created the monarchy at the start of Victoria II. While there were a lot of dumb things done at various points that is the one that I think loving things up late in Victoria. Then again all the other Republics like Ibriz & Japan somehow managed to fail harder than us so
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Snipee posted:This is true. I have wanted a Muslim Rome since the early CK and EU4 days, and we did ultimately manage to create a mostly Islamic South Italy that annexed the Vatican. Counter-point: The imaginary people of this LP are imaginary therefore they have no rights that we, the omniscient goonocracy, are obligated to acknowledge and protect, therefore condeming the world to nuclear hellfire was proper and good because it's more fun that way
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Rody One Half posted:One day some brave soul will make a new full on Crete style lp and it will be amazing Once Imperator: Rome becomes a good game in like four years
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Drone posted:Once Imperator: Rome becomes a good game
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