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Jun 5, 2018 23:33
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As far as I can tell B currently has a commanding lead with 48 votes in favor, followed by C with 20 and A with 10. Looking like it's going to be long live Sultan Zulfiqar.
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Jun 6, 2018 02:57
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Voting for B. Would also like to note that France-England only has 1 vote in these proceedings, whereas Hannover has 2. If we want the vote re: Tirruni's Iberian possessions to go in our favor we should probably be more interested in sucking up to Hannover than France-England. Captain Oblivious posted:Is that a genuine downside? Actually, this begs the question: Hashim posted:So keep in mind that even if our chosen option doesn’t win overall, the relations boost/hits will still take effect, and the other powers will remember how we voted.
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Jun 6, 2018 19:37
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Additionally as others have pointed out, Russia as well as Morocco presumably prefer the buffer states option to empowering France-England to the point of it becoming another GP. There's no direct relations bonus to either for choosing B, but Hashim did say "the other powers will remember how we voted". So while I couldn't care less about what Morocco thinks, good relations with mega-Russia probably also wouldn't hurt matters.
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Jun 6, 2018 19:40
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah if morocco and russia veto both us and france we'd make one hell of a revisionist bloc - this would be Very Good for us, since we hate morocco anyway and russia probably has bigger fish to fry What bigger fish? Russia's all-in on the absolutism and doesn't have any neighbors capable of challenging them, why would they stop being interested in what's going on in Western Europe?
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Jun 6, 2018 19:50
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Actually I forgot Bavaria also has a vote, in terms of pleasing vote-havers A is as good as B by that metric. Assuming the "other powers will remember the way we voted" doesn't mean that Russia will not like us because we essentially vote for France to become a GP. Also I do appreciate the argument that if we want old cores restored we should be voting in favor of that in this vote, so changing my vote to A.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:05
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Voting A for eventual Russian Pals points, as well as the fact that the Serbian Republic is obviously a failed state and trying to restore it would be nonsense. Surely Russia won't take advantage of these new balkanized states and will let their various peoples live in the spirit of self-determination. Surely. (The overwhelming motivation here, is, of course, screw Morocco).
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Jun 7, 2018 18:21
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Patter Song posted:Yes, but most of the techs that improve RGO output or just flat-out improves the country are in the Industrial and Commerce trees. I don't want not voting Moderate screwing us out of the Mechanical Production tech (whose inventions massively boost agricultural output), the various Mining techs (Coal and Iron are perennially valuable), or Medicine and its successors in the Chemistry line (Medicine dramatically accelerates population growth, slices attrition way down, and decreases those horrible disease events that can devastate a country). Agreeing that voting in whoever gets us Medicine is priority #1
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Jun 25, 2018 23:18
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Obliterati posted:What are your views on sliders they make for a pretty decent snack
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Jun 27, 2018 21:08
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Voting for the Moderates because in our first decade we definitely want to lay a solid industrial foundation.
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Jun 29, 2018 23:48
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Chiming in as well that with how Vicky 2 works, this is probably as good as things could be going for Al-Andalus - Morocco was inevitably going to be chummy with Hannover re: Leon-Castile and also bring in whoever their GP ally is if we ever attacked them, and while not having mil techs at the start of this war kind of hurts not having all the industrial/culture techs we have now would have made us much, much weaker heading into the rest of the game. As Hashim's mentioned even the Moderates are going to backfill some important mil techs when it becomes critical (like right now) and as long as we play this war smart and Russia isn't Morocco's GP ally (which, remembering how the Congress went down and the fact that Ibriz has more reason to dislike us, I sort of doubt) we should come out of it just fine, with a stronger France-English ally that will appreciate our support and hopefully be in for our reclaiming our Iberian cores down the line. That's not to say we don't want to consider voting Imperialist or Royalist in the next election (or the one after that, at the very latest), but two Moderate terms have definitely been a solid choice to start V2 off with. Jack2142 posted:No I am pretty sure we are Spain in Vicky just sucking poo poo this entire period as the worst great power, until we get bumped off for some random nation that used to be our colony. IIRC Hashim has edited the pop files and Al-Andalus isn't nearly as doomed as OTL Spain, which mostly has garbage population levels.
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Jul 9, 2018 11:23
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The Imperialists will also unite Iberia, but also get us ready for that good good colonizing game that's about to kick off, and the train to which we definitely do not want to miss. Plus, commerce techs are really good and we got a good amount of army research in already during this past war (certainly enough to kick Morocco's rear end again).
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Jul 11, 2018 22:18
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rip on going reactionary and investing in mostly-unneeded army techs instead of desperately needed ports & commerce techs when they will get us the same end goal imperialists also want to unite Iberia, and our army's more than good enough to take Morocco again y'all
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Jul 11, 2018 22:24
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L-F is only really disastrous later in the game when you have a really large industrial base, as-is it might hurt us a bit but the benefit of getting commerce + naval techs should outweigh that. But by all means, let's go reactionary and eventually get ruined by rebels instead.
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Jul 12, 2018 09:30
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People keep acting like the Imperialists aren't *also* going to kick Morocco while it's down and get Iberia back, but that is again explicitly in their wheelhouse. The primary things we won't get with the imperialists that we might get with the Royalists is going for Mediterranean islands, and MAYBE the other side of the straits. I don't think those acquisitions are worth sinking our chances of getting some of those good good tropical resources for the late game. Agean90 posted:Direct control over things in Vicky 2, the eu4 players itt are in for a trip ah yes, the classic Vicky 2 mechanic of fabricating cores For the EU4 players in this thread who think we're still playing EU4, there is no such thing as fabricating cores in Vicky 2. That's why getting cores in the Congress was such a big deal - the only way you get cores in Vicky 2 is by event. Apart from Hashim modding those events in, the only other way to get cores is a generic event that opens up after an 1850 cultural tech is researched with a MTTH of 10 years, and requires a (non-colonial only) state to either border a core state already or be majority primary or accepted culture. So unless we somehow start accepting Sicilian etc., we'll never be able to core the Italian possessions people are so hungry for. And I'm willing to bet we missed our chance there by not intervening in the Palermo coup (though, reinstating the Jizrunids doesn't sound like it would lead to us accepting Sicilian anyway). Mirdini fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 14:59
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Yeah wasn't sure if it was an active vote but definitely in favor of sticking with the Dual Monarchy for now.
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Jul 16, 2018 11:25
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Back The Sack of Qadis was a disaster, to be sure, but we emerged from that war triumphant and once we have a sturdy STEEL WALL across the strait Morocco won't even come close to overwhelming our defenses like that again. (also as Patter's pointed out, we really do need those vital commerce techs already). e: I see the reshuffling closed without a header, whoops STANDING BY MY VOTE THOUGH Mirdini fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Aug 5, 2018 20:55
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Yeah in before the SGA actually murdered the Vizier because he wasn't always toeing the Sultan's line, lmao Glad to see Murad Al-din getting up to some 115-prestige level exploration ;-;7
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Aug 10, 2018 01:37
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As your liberal Grand Vizier, I will mostly certainly be putting my vote in for the Imperialist faction. Iberia will be whole! (Also Hashim if we're behind on mil tech, I'm sure this momentous war is reason for even the Imperialists to consider catching up a bit).
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Aug 14, 2018 01:33
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Fellow Andalusi! I have given much to Al-Andalus, and am announcing my retirement as Grand Vizier, even if my Imperialists were to win another term. I thank you all for supporting me as I led our great nation to its destiny of rule over all Iberia, and hope our next Vizier continues to ensure that our status in the world is second to none. We have finally proven our supremacy over the perfidious Berber, fought the largest nation on this continent to a standstill, and extended the light of Andalusi leadership across the globe. It is a golden age for Qadis and our great nation, and I implore you to think of our future as you vote today. While my Imperialist faction has doubtlessly led Al-Andalus to this golden era, I must also commend the Moderates for our productive working relationship. While my fellow Imperialists in the Majlis may consider this a betrayal, considering the current course of voting, I must throw my lot in with that of the Moderates. Their drive to improve Al-Andalus' neglected industry and culture is critical at this juncture, as is creating an unbreakable line of defense in the Pyrenees. While I sympathize somewhat with those in this assembly that are voting for the Socialists, I cannot condone their sympathies towards this 'Khedive'. Allowing some self-styled foreign monarch to wrest away control of OUR colonies will do little to help Al-Andalus, and even less to remedy the sometimes harsh measures of the already quite autonomous regime in Africa. We must stand firm against any who might split the unity of our great polity! Vote Moderate today! Mirdini fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 10:30
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CLEARLY Imperialism was the light, and we're definitely going to regret sticking with the anti-military socialists by the sound of things, which can only mean one thing.... BRING ON THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION
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Nov 15, 2018 19:00
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Casting what seems to be a futile vote for the Imperialists because war sure is on the horizon and a socialist government is far less likely to be toppled by a communist revolution that might actually do something about the sorry state of the army. And at least the imperialists would do *something* rather than the socialists, who will leave us without an army to defend ourselves or any allies to help us when we get declared upon by Frangleterre at some point in the next decade or two.
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Nov 18, 2018 00:55
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I'm generally a huge  fan but voting soc right now feels like it's going to see us rolled over by a France-England wardec, forced to great war capitulate + give up a bunch of iberia and that leads us to going fash because revanchismlike, hashim's made it pretty clear it's very unlikely Al-Andalus will manage to stay out of the great wars that are coming, and that the socialists are going to do absolutely nothing to get our army in fighting shape to prepare for that
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Nov 18, 2018 01:02
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Nov 27, 2018 21:07
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Voting with A - the North
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Nov 27, 2018 21:53
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Looking forward to seeing how the war shook out and the inevitable 'what demands do we present/acquiesce to in the post-war conference' vote Hashim will have us do maximum doom ahoy
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Dec 17, 2018 07:59
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While the majority of the noble dynasty of Murad al-Din probably all got garrotted or exiled, I'm sure some civil servant in some part of the bureaucracy or officer somewhere in the army escaped by going full communist. Mirza al-Din, reporting for duty (as either a minister or general or admiral or wherever there's space).
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Feb 8, 2019 03:54
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 As Chief of our Red Army, I am confident that our fortifications in the Pyrenees are impregnable, our soldiers ready to fight to the last. Let the fascists dash themselves on the rocks! A
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Mar 30, 2019 23:48
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A for the spread of the revolution! Also, our Eurasian colleagues will surely appreciate our commitment to the international success of socialism.
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Apr 10, 2019 05:28
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C! Internationalism lives!
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May 29, 2019 22:23
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E for France/Britain, C for Italy not that it'll matter because everything is going to be a nuclear wasteland in 5 years due to the Shura turning into a death cult, but I guess we can suddenly be optimistic despite that vote
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Jun 4, 2019 21:49
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What a wild ride, thanks for the great LP Hashim. In the spirit of everyone else asking about their characters, how was Mirza al-Din's tenure as Chief of the Red Army/did he get up to anything after that?
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Jun 24, 2019 23:35
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