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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Majorian posted:

Errrr...I think this is going a bit too far. Dude didn't really have too many concrete ideas, as opposed to vague platitudes that turned out to be better at mobilizing his base than Clinton's promises were with hers.

Trump had lots of concrete ideas that were boiled down to a fine essence and delivered up as solid bedrocks for his voting base. Granted they were horrible, terrible ideas, but he did have them. 'Build the wall' 'Take the oil' 'Win against China' 'Bring back jobs'. Those were all concrete ideas Trump made sure to mention in every rally and appearance. People laughed because he sounded like a broken record, but he was building a brand. Trump isn't a complete idiot. He knows how to market and how to manipulate the media.

Meanwhile, what did Clinton build her campaign around? How many solid campaign issues can you recall that could be expressed in five words or less and *didn't* revolve around the configuration of her genitalia? What causes did Clinton consistently and loudly champion at her every appearance until it became just bound up in who she was?

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

JeffersonClay posted:

Part of the reason Clinton's "I am very smart look at all these well crafted policies" strategy didn't work is it fed into sexist opposition to uppity know it all women. I don't think it was a good strategy regardless, but it probably would have worked better for a white man.

Just lol that bitter accusations of sexism is all you have to cling to instead of just being able to admit Clinton was real bad. Real real bad. And Perez is going to keep the centrist faction in power.

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5 word Clinton statements I remember:

Support Diversity, it's a strength
Free childcare and family leave
This would have been a pretty good thing to campaign extensively on. Its a shame she didn't.

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Defend Obamacare and expand it
She ran against the man who wanted Universal Healthcare and said quite a number of nasty things about how impossible it would be to achieve anything better. Even Trump had a more positive message on healthcare.

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Support NATO and oppose Putin
Don't elect the crazy man

Which clearly isn't enough about jobs and the economy.

America is Already Great (for the phenomenally wealthy who captured most of the economic 'recovery' and are also the only people Clinton every interacts with).

Also none of those roll off the tongue and are terribly constructed campaign slogans. Even if Clinton *had* said them, she can't market herself or her ideas worth a drat.

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