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Zikan posted:if the democrats hadn't underperformed in urban centers in the rust belt like detriot, flint, and milwaukee clinton would be president now tho Presidential election strategy is handled by the candidates, not the DNC.
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Feb 8, 2017 16:09
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:On the second thing, I don't see anything saying Perez is the front runner, so uh? The last reporting on the state of the race was a week or so ago when Biden endorsed Perez. Perez had a solid lead, with about 3/4 of voters informally committed. I don't know - I don't know if anyone knows - if that changed after Lewis endorsed Ellison.
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Feb 9, 2017 20:21
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:If Perez loses because there are enough people in America who define their narrative entirely by Sanders soundbites, that's a really, really good sign for the left. I'm having a real hard time seeing a downside to Sanders being able to rally the kind of people who usually don't vote or think very hard about politics. The DNC chair is not a public election! All of the voters are Democratic Party officials. Everyone voting is not only involved in politics, but at least a semi-professional political organizer. In comedy news, Martin O'Malley endorsed Buttigieg.
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Feb 10, 2017 01:01
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean, seriously. Chuck Schumer leaped at the chance to endorse Ellison. Schumer is a close Sanders ally in the Senate.
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Feb 10, 2017 06:06
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These are not mutually exclusive facts. Senator Sanders is is not the enemy of everyone who didn't support him over Clinton for president. Inasmuch as a "Sanders wing" of the party exists, that wing includes a bunch of people that backed Clinton's presidential campaign.
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Feb 10, 2017 06:20
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Obama hasn't endorsed Perez. "The Democratic Party should abandon unions" isn't a position any DNC chair has suggested, and it's frankly insane. If you want to argue about that, make some other thread.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:47
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Frankly, if Obama endorsed a candidate, there wouldn't be any race.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:49
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RaySmuckles posted:oops, thought i remember reading that. oh well. It's understandable, both because of that and because Biden endorsed Perez.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:56
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Haim Saban personally condemned Ellison, something ConAgra and GE executives did not.
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Brainiac Five, how do you feel about the ADL accusing Ellison of anti-Semitism? Do you feel that Ellison did indeed invoke "the specter of age-old stereotypes about Jewish control of our government"?
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Brainiac Five posted:I support Ellison, so your gotcha is really loving bizarre. It's almost as if, like the ADL, you conflate criticism with hatred. I am highlighting the similarities between an argument you clearly reject and your own accusations. Nobody's pulling Haim Saban out of the air; he decided to involve himself in the race.
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Feb 10, 2017 19:27
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Brainiac Five posted:Which of course justifies everything up to and including Crowsbeak's verbal vomit. Involve yourself in politics and you are no longer a real American. I have Crowsbeak on ignore. If he's shitposting that badly, report him. Haim Saban is an American, but he's also intervened to accuse Ellison - based on laughably thin evidence - of being an anti-Semite, when Ellison just happens to be campaigning on limiting the influence of high-dollar individual donors to the DNC. It's fair to criticize Saban for this! It's a transparently self-interested political move on Saban's part.
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Feb 10, 2017 19:39
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Brainiac Five posted:Weird how this disproportionately focuses on entertainment and banking, and not, say, the auto industry asking for Japan to be denounced as a currency manipulator and forced into opening up their markets, as Rep. Sander Levin made a statement about just this week. Haim Saban directly intervened in this election, while auto industry executives did not.
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Feb 10, 2017 19:54
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Brainiac Five posted:You don't actually know that. You assume that we would hear about it, rather than it happening via private conversations and backdoor meetings. At least Saban made his accusations public. On the contrary, people in this thread are assuming it's happening. You were the one who came storming in, insisting that using Saban as an example of large-dollar donors exerting their influence was anti-Semitic.
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Brainiac Five posted:You just said that it wasn't happening. That only Saban had interfered. Lie more convincingly. I just said only Saban intervened directly. Nobody can name specific donors who intervened indirectly for obvious reasons.
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Feb 10, 2017 20:18
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Chelb posted:In a world where Republicans control all three branches of government, electing a Muslim person of color is an uplifting message that the Democratic party isn't interested in kowtowing to the GOP's bigotry. Barring a Buttigieg upset or an outbreak of Buckleymentum, a man of color is winning no matter what.
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Feb 10, 2017 20:42
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Donald Trump is not running for the DNC chair.
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Feb 10, 2017 20:46
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Lightning Knight posted:Does Perez even have a realistic chance at beating Ellison? I was under the impression Ellison had it more or less locked up. AP and other outlets were reporting that Perez had a solid lead after Biden endorsed him, about a week ago.
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mcmagic posted:Right but Hillary Clinton lost that election, he didn't win it. Neither Clinton nor Trump are running for DNC head.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:08
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Lightning Knight posted:No but it would be remiss of us to not see that the DNC chair battle is a proxy for the primary for the accelerationist bernouts that didn't show up last November. Noted accelerationist bernouts Chuck Schumer, John Lewis, Elizabeth Warren, and, uh, Bernie Sanders.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:20
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Brainiac Five posted:This is baldly dishonest and I don't know why you lie so poorly. Lightning Knight posted:I meant your average person, not the party establishment. The DNC race is a symbolic struggle between the Sanders wing of the party and much of the rest of it, but it's not a re-run of the primary, and the "Sanders wing" doesn't map perfectly onto the people who supported Sanders in the primary.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:26
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Aurubin posted:Why would Biden's endorsement be a big tipping point? The man isn't in office anymore and always had O'Malley numbers when he ran for president. Most of the DNC members are sitting politicians or party chairs, wouldn't they be the ones most likely to know how badly the Obama years hosed them? Or is that indicative of the institutional rot? Biden is now popular, both inside the party and outside of it. Being vice president took him from gaffe-prone also-ran to legitimate presidential contender. It wasn't just Clinton that cleared the deck for Presidential candidates in 2015. Everyone was getting out of the way of both Clinton and Biden, until Biden removed himself from the running because of Beau's death (and because most likely because his health isn't that great). However you feel about Obama as a president, there is a distinct Obama wing of the party, and Biden's endorsement of Perez was clearly seen as a signal of support from it.
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He went on Morning Joe yesterday.
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Convergence posted:Maryland's republican governor is actually pretty great He's also 60 and a cancer survivor. He's going to retire at some point. Dr. Fishopolis posted:the republicans are exactly one state away from being able to call a constitutional convention and he must be deposed at all costs. Legislatures do this. (And it's close but not quite this close; several states are nominally Republican-majority but have bicameral legislatures with Dems in control of one house.) In any event, governors don't get a (direct) say in the matter. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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You can't even vote on the DNC chair unless you are a part of the literal party establishment. Plus, further fringe candidates from Buttigieg to Buckley were around before Perez was, and failed to draw any interest.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:56
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Fulchrum posted:If Buttigieg was serious and not just trying to raise his profile nationally by running to the left of Ellisson and Perez, he would have thrown in when Dean did and failed to get any endorsements. He wouldn't have waited til mid January to announce. Definitely Congress or a governorship, not president. He's only ever held office as the mayor of a small city.
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Feb 14, 2017 10:25
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Ytlaya posted:There seems to be some sort of general opinion that Buttigieg is to the left of Ellison/Perez. Why is this? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with it, but I can't find anything specific that seems to point towards that conclusion. You know how there's a significant number of people in this thread saying that the Dems are kind of hosed and the people who led the party into this blind corner need to be replaced immediately? That's Buttigieg's actual position. It has not won him many endorsements. (He got Martin O'Malley!)
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Not only is Buttigieg almost certainly not going to be elected party chair, gun control is not part of the DNC chair race. Nobody is debating it, nobody has made any substantive statements about it, the DNC chair does not set any sort of gun control policy, and this whole derail kicked off because of less than one sentence in a broader statement that was about something else entirely.
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Take all reports of specific vote tallies with a grain of salt. They are informal commitments right now.
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Feb 15, 2017 08:58
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Tom Perez appeared on a Washington Post podcast. In particular, he talks about the failings of Clinton's campaign.
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Condiv posted:the establishment is finally showing its worth cool this is definitely an issue relevant to the race for dnc chair thanks Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Feb 15, 2017 23:10
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Gov. Malloy, head of the Democratic Governors' Association, endorsed Perez.
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Tesseraction posted:Has any candidate not argued for these? Other than that weirdo who Rush Limbaugh apparently backed. It's less the specific issues than the fact that Malloy emphasized Perez's organizing experience, contrasted with the message from the pro-Ellison camp that Perez is too inexperienced for the role.
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NBC is reporting that Ellison has offered Buckley a role in leading DNC operations in exchange for his support. Buckley is the (hopelessly doomed) conservative Democratic candidate who once drove around one of Lieberman's two Joemobiles.
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axeil posted:Well and Trump, considering Jill Stein was likely also a Russian stooge who was coerced to run aggressively to siphon off Clinton votes. what on earth does this conspiracy theory bullcrap have to do with the DNC chair race
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Hey look, NBC wrote a story about the lovely posters determined to turn this into the primary thread.
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Feb 16, 2017 21:35
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Politico reports that the UAW is going to endorse Ellison, and that the SEIU is going to informally encourage members to vote for him. The article has a good breakdown of which unions have endorsed who, so far. Something I missed from a couple weeks ago: Gloria Steinem endorsed Ellison. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Chomskyan posted:From a while back but holy poo poo, you are absolutely shameless. Hillary was an active proponent of her husband's policies ("superpredators"), more so than a regular first lady. She also defended them during her 2007 campaign, and has actively worked to link herself to her husband's politics (because she thought that would benefit her). These are decisions Hillary personally made to link herself to her Bill. No use crying about it now. Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton is running for DNC chair, nor are any of these policies major topics of debate in the DNC chair race.
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Kilroy posted:You're right, we should tolerate people trying to whitewash or rewrite history provided that the facts in question are only tangentially related, as opposed to directly related, to the topic at hand. It's not like there's a shortage of threads to argue about the Clintons.
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