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Trumps Baby Hands posted:I like the one where over the next trillions of years humanity spreads out and conquers the entire galaxy. Thanks to life extension technology and starship advances, these apes from Earth are able to even travel through the black to other galaxies. Eventually the entire universe is populated by a number of humans so staggering that it might as well be infinite. Our power is absolute. Humanity (or more accurately, the multitude of new species that share humanity as a common ancestor) rules all of existence.
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Jan 7, 2017 04:22
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Entropy is kind of special though, in that it literally is unsolvable. Not unless thermodynamics is wrong, and you'd think we'd know by now whether it is. But if I'm people living at the end of time, I'm still dedicating resources to see if entropy can be cheated, somehow, because why not.
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Jan 7, 2017 05:56
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rudatron posted:Entropy is kind of special though, in that it literally is unsolvable. Not unless thermodynamics is wrong, and you'd think we'd know by now whether it is. My Man, have you heard of the science fiction trope Zero Point Energy? That is energy derived from entropy? Crazy poo poo!
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Jan 7, 2017 07:29
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thats unfortunately not how it works, just because the ground state isn't zero doesn't mean you can get work from it (you can't)
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Jan 7, 2017 08:57
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kind of similar to how quantum entanglement would seem to allow instant communication, but you can't actually use it to send information faster than light turns out the universe has fine print that no one reads lol
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Jan 7, 2017 08:59
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yes, we will never make any more theoretical physics discoveries after right now. ever. em driiiiive mother fuckkkker
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Jan 7, 2017 09:00
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rudatron posted:kind of similar to how quantum entanglement would seem to allow instant communication, but you can't actually use it to send information faster than light turns out that quantum entanglement has ways to manipulate the way you move, the way you act, the way you don't want to, and that you're entangled to do whatever anyone wants you to do because you're not in control of your molecules
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Jan 7, 2017 09:15
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rudatron posted:turns out the universe has fine print that no one reads lol That said, I will never call a well--founded theory of something challenging traditional physics "impossible."
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Hi I'm here to say Roko's Basilisk is dumb. Also once read a funny thing about how if it were possible to harness "zero point" energy you might blow up the solar system or something if you tried. Cause really the difference between lightning a flashlight and setting off a supernova from an infinite energy source would be all about flow. Concordat has issued a correction as of 09:40 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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Jan 7, 2017 09:38
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Concordat posted:Hi I'm here to say Roko's Basilisk is dumb.
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Jan 7, 2017 10:27
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i think Roko's Basilisk is dumb as gently caress, but i like the idea of 'dangerous information' like, for example, "the game". Not too dangerous, but certainly wastes everyone's time. Information that could get you tortured to give up
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Baloogan posted:i think Roko's Basilisk is dumb as gently caress, but i like the idea of 'dangerous information' huh, this is probably the longest stretch of time I've gone in-between "losings" of the game That's fascinating, the idea of the game as an information virus. It's like herpes, a life-long std that flairs up from time-to-time and can be spread to others during a break out. As for a future AI "punishing" people that don't help it, that's dumb, but I could very easily imagine a future AI that uses time travel to insure it's own creation, which would initiate an interesting time-loop where it's essentially its own cause.
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Jan 7, 2017 11:00
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:I like the one where over the next trillions of years humanity spreads out and conquers the entire galaxy. Thanks to life extension technology and starship advances, these apes from Earth are able to even travel through the black to other galaxies. Eventually the entire universe is populated by a number of humans so staggering that it might as well be infinite. Our power is absolute. Humanity (or more accurately, the multitude of new species that share humanity as a common ancestor) rules all of existence. Or it will repeat itself over and over again with absolutely no end and no beginning on an eternal loop because that is the whole point for we are in gods image and God is the totality of the universe.
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Jan 7, 2017 12:31
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it looks like there isn't a loop from the whole ~science~ thing imo the universe is a computer for calculating a really complicated energy minimization problem, some multidimensional grad student alien will read off the result in a few minutes (a trillion trillion trillion years our time) and wonder if hes done enough work to justify going to the multidimensional coffee shop for a hyperlatte.
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Jan 7, 2017 12:35
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:Or it will repeat itself over and over again with absolutely no end and no beginning on an eternal loop because that is the whole point for we are in gods image and God is the totality of the universe. Respectfully, that sounds like a way worse fate to me, Senator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8vNYZddU6A
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Jan 7, 2017 12:37
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he gets back to his workstation and discovers, poo poo, one of the variables he plugged in was incorrect, and it allowed for complicated life forms to form in the sim (which, kinda like animal testing today, was frowned upon). He coughs, sips his hyperlatte, resets the experiment, double checks everything, compiles, then reruns the universe. This time nothing more complicated than a complex carbohydrate forms. he leans back on his hyperchair and daydreams about a multidimensional undergrad as the majesty of creation reruns. (he hosed up this time too)
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Jan 7, 2017 12:39
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The mere fact that this is just as plausible as Christianity/Deism/Tribal Creation Myths/Whatever is sad, somehow. It's hard to discern how to live in the face of all these possibilities without resorting to cliches like "Love the people around you" and "do the best you can to be a positive force within your limited sphere of influence." Maybe I could surrender to a life as a cog in the grand design of a Cosmic Deity, but if I'm just some speck of dust in an extra-dimensional college kid's thesis, then, idk. It's like spending your life working for Walmart. All this suffering in the service of some distant, nebulous entity that doesn't give a poo poo about you. I think I'd probably feel different if I had wife/kids/responsibilities/etc, but as it stands I find all this very troubling, not because the extra-dimensional grad student might reset us when he discovers that his sim got infected with the Trump.exe virus, but just because of the meaninglessness of it all
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Jan 7, 2017 12:54
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god is dead you are free do what you want whatever you choose there is no one else to blame
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Jan 7, 2017 13:08
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im gonna blame you because its all your fault you monster
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Jan 7, 2017 13:15
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:As for a future AI "punishing" people that don't help it, that's dumb, but I could very easily imagine a future AI that uses time travel to insure it's own creation, which would initiate an interesting time-loop where it's essentially its own cause.
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Jan 7, 2017 19:15
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the thing that's scary about the simulated universe hypothesis is that if it's true that a civilization could create a simulated universe, then the possibility that our universe is simulated skyrockets
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Jan 7, 2017 20:35
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Doesn't Hawking's radiation theory go against the idea of time as a flat circle (i.e. that heat death and not a "big crunch" scenario is what lies ahead)?
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Jan 7, 2017 21:21
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i do think the ideal thing we could all do as a species is just agree to stop breeding. put sterilization drugs in the water like alex jones says after a worldwide referendum, and just stop havin babies forever. society collapses in a few decades as the last human generation begins losing the capacity to care for itself, but the process is thoroughly irrevocable by then and won't last long regardless. in less than a century this whole globe could be peacefully absolved of its human burden. our last acts as a species could be to labor towards permanently and cleanly decommissioning our most deleterious technologies as our energy generation and manufacturing needs decline then collapse. the last old men and women lie down in their crypts to die, and maybe we leave a few weird monuments recording our grotesque history to be pored over by the archeologists of the land-octopi empires eons hence
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zeal posted:i do think the ideal thing we could all do as a species is just agree to stop breeding. put sterilization drugs in the water like alex jones says after a worldwide referendum, and just stop havin babies forever. society collapses in a few decades as the last human generation begins losing the capacity to care for itself, but the process is thoroughly irrevocable by then and won't last long regardless. in less than a century this whole globe could be peacefully absolved of its human burden. our last acts as a species could be to labor towards permanently and cleanly decommissioning our most deleterious technologies as our energy generation and manufacturing needs decline then collapse. the last old men and women lie down in their crypts to die, and maybe we leave a few weird monuments recording our grotesque history to be pored over by the archeologists of the land-octopi empires eons hence sure, but instead of octopii or cockroaches I'd like to hand it all over to these two
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i just listened to those two take turns telling each other that their love would last to the end of time they're gonna kill em like tae, our species must be stopped and infertility is the cure
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Jan 7, 2017 23:01
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tay was the best and proof that we should halt all AI research
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Jan 7, 2017 23:13
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Betelgeuse isn't predicted to create a gamma-ray burst but it's not impossible, and it's nearby enough that if it did and was pointed at us, it'd be a bad day. Still a small chance in hell, though.
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Jan 7, 2017 23:34
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zen death robot posted:Nearby Supernova is impossible because there aren't any stars close enough that are large enough to go supernova and antimatter debris is pretty much impossible because we'd be detecting gamma ray bursts from the annihilations all over the goddamn place as it hit ANY bits of matter like dust or tiny bits of pulverized asteroids etc doesn't need to be a big chunk of antimatter, like, maybe a baseball sized bit oh andother thing im worried about is the 3 body system of alpha centauri with its 3 stars maybe will be perturbed and all 3 stars will collide and it will KABLAMMO
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:The mere fact that this is just as plausible as Christianity/Deism/Tribal Creation Myths/Whatever is sad, somehow. It's hard to discern how to live in the face of all these possibilities without resorting to cliches like "Love the people around you" and "do the best you can to be a positive force within your limited sphere of influence." Maybe I could surrender to a life as a cog in the grand design of a Cosmic Deity, but if I'm just some speck of dust in an extra-dimensional college kid's thesis, then, idk. It's like spending your life working for Walmart. All this suffering in the service of some distant, nebulous entity that doesn't give a poo poo about you. What if Trump is the grad student
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Jan 8, 2017 02:31
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Respectfully, that sounds like a way worse fate to me, Senator. dumb
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Jan 8, 2017 02:41
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Baloogan posted:doesn't need to be a big chunk of antimatter, like, maybe a baseball sized bit Holy gently caress! Antimatter should be measured in MASS not Volume you loving philistine!!!!
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Jan 8, 2017 02:44
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cubs won everything from here on out is just a freeroll imo
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Jan 8, 2017 02:50
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zen death robot posted:A baseball sized bit would annihilate in the atmosphere yeah but with an E=MC^2 explosion!! 149 g * the speed of light * the speed of light = 1.33914522 × 10^16 joules 1 kiloton [explosive] is equal to 4.184E+12 joule so it would be a 3250 kT explosion!! hm only 3 mT weak gently caress, okay a bowling ball piece of antimatter!!!!!!!!!
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Baloogan posted:yeah but with an E=MC^2 explosion!! it wouldnt' even be an explosion because the energy created would naturally push all other mater away from the object so it would be a slow leak of very bright light that might cause a slight increase in cancer rates to anyone exposed to it maybe a couple of cases of blindness it would need to be a big chunk to really be dangerous on an existential level like mountain sized or maybe like, building sized on the small scale
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Jan 8, 2017 03:20
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what about a runaway planet
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Dumbasses in the conspiracy corners of society have been predicting a runaway planet or one with a really eccentric orbit will kill us any day now, usually they call it Nibiru or Planet X.
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Jan 8, 2017 03:45
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I just want my goddamned super science ok
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Concordat posted:Dumbasses in the conspiracy corners of society have been predicting a runaway planet or one with a really eccentric orbit will kill us any day now, usually they call it Nibiru or Planet X. nemesis
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Concordat posted:Dumbasses in the conspiracy corners of society have been predicting a runaway planet or one with a really eccentric orbit will kill us any day now, usually they call it Nibiru or Planet X.
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