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RatHat posted:Ellie totally consented to giving up her life to make a cure, she just never got a chance to talk to Joel before the surgery. i don't think she did, or if she did we are never given that information. she was unconcious from the moment the fireflies find them until she wakes up in the car. the fireflies are just as lovely people as joel. she probably had an idea that it would cost her life though since she's dragging her feet in the last section.
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Attitude Indicator posted:i don't think she did, or if she did we are never given that information. she was unconcious from the moment the fireflies find them until she wakes up in the car. the fireflies are just as lovely people as joel. she probably had an idea that it would cost her life though since she's dragging her feet in the last section. edit: considering TLOU2: Early in development of 1 they described a system where the enemies wouldn't be the normal video game killbots and would sometimes act erratically, running or negotiating or maybe even taking your side. In the end none of that made it into the first game, but has there been any talk like it might be in the second? To me that would be as revolutionary as the nemesis system in Mordor but in a game I enjoy more for other reasons. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 08:06 on May 1, 2017 |
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Yes, the ending to Last of Us is deliberately ambiguous in its last moments, which makes it stand out in terms of storytelling. That's why you can debate the morality of Joel's actions with the Fireflies, sure, but I find the readings that focus on the lie that Joel tells, and on the relationship between him and Ellie, to be way more interesting. Because that's where the game concentrates its energy in its final moments. It doesn't end at any time before. It ends on Ellie's reaction because that's what matters
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Renoistic posted:TLoU ending chat. Of course Joel did what he did in order to protect Ellie, but he also did it for his own selfish reasons. I agree with all of this. veni veni veni posted:I don't agree with most of that. I think Joel absolutely did the right thing as far as killing all the people he did. gently caress the fireflies, gently caress the cure, gently caress humanity. I'm still not sure if he did the right thing when he lied to Ellie. That's what I'm saying. The real moral question asked by the story isn't the obvious one. Yeah, I get it, there's a whole faction of people who insist that the fireflies were bad at science, so it was totally justified to gently caress up their plan because they wouldn't have succeeded at making a cure. I mean, okay, sure that's possible, but it's missing the point. The point is that a cure doesn't solve poo poo. The cordycepts are not the villains of the story. Getting rid of them doesn't solve any of humanities problems. At the end of the day though, it doesn't matter whether the Fireflies were right or wrong, because the real question is about honesty in relationships as oppossed to "protecting people from the truth". It's not like "protecting people from the truth" is a them that's only introduced at the end. It's a vein that runs through the whole story. Characters constantly lie to each-other with the justification that it's to prevent panic or fear. The end of the story is basically Joel admitting that love is stronger than justice.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yes, the ending to Last of Us is deliberately ambiguous in its last moments, which makes it stand out in terms of storytelling. That's why you can debate the morality of Joel's actions with the Fireflies, sure, but I find the readings that focus on the lie that Joel tells, and on the relationship between him and Ellie, to be way more interesting. Because that's where the game concentrates its energy in its final moments. It doesn't end at any time before. It ends on Ellie's reaction because that's what matters Yeah this. You can debate his decision all you want but in the end, this is what we're left with and Ellie pretty easily figuring out he lied and there was more to the story, unable to really trust him anymore even though he did save her life. I liked that it had moral ambiguity to it. It wasn't an easy "you did the right thing" ending, it was a pretty well-done bittersweet ending meant to leave you feeling uncomfortable with it all whether you agreed with Joel's decision or not.
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May 1, 2017 08:50
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Wandle Cax posted:Is the last of us anime? Not sure, maybe? I'd play a game version of "I am a hero", though.
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Wandle Cax posted:Is the last of us anime? no.
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veni veni veni posted:That wouldn't stop Sony from bundling a Sony published game. Imo they are probably just selling well enough that they don't feel like they need to bundle anything. I tried using it, but it said it was expired.
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I was hoping to play What Remains of Edith Finch on PS4 since that is my indie game console, but according to Digital Foundry the port runs like crap on a normal PS4 and doesn't even maintain 30fps locked on a Pro. So buyer beware! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKk7JkHGpMI
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Spent the whole weekend playing Persona 5, I only got to 9/15. It's really good, Would have stayed up the whole night if I didn't have to work today. . What a strong year so far. From what I've played in the arcades, Tekken 7 is looking to be great.
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Just finished Suda51's The Silver Case. It's interesting to see where Goichi Suda came from, as this was one of his original works, and it's such a departure from that wacky off-the-wall style that I'm more familiar with from games like No More Heroes, Shadows of the Damned, and Lollipop Chainsaw. It's so weird to play a remaster of such an archaic game, almost two decades old, on a PS4 but it certainly was a memorable one. I had no idea what the gently caress what was going on half the time (and having finished it I'm still confused on multiple parts), it wildly changed art style whenever it felt like it, had this weird presentation mix of PS1-tier 3D, updated CG, live action, and anime cutscenes, but I found it oddly engrossing and kept pushing ahead to see what weird poo poo happened next. I think it's like thirty bucks in the States (40 up here in Canada) but I'd say that's worth the price of admission for this bizarre pseudo-dystopian turn-of-the-millennium detective story. The controls are really weird though, kind of funny to have the characters in the tutorial outright apologizing for how bad they are and swearing you'll just "get used to them."Sefal posted:Spent the whole weekend playing Persona 5, I only got to 9/15. It's really good, Would have stayed up the whole night if I didn't have to work today. . I'm really excited for Tekken 7. I just learned all that New Japan Pro Wrestling stuff made it into the overseas release and I can't wait to screw around with King's Rain Maker!
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Imagine four peggle balls on the edge of a cliff.
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I just played the Prey demo. I think the game is interesting but I hate that it's called Prey. I loved (even if it wasn't that great) the old one and this one has nothing to do so I kind of feel confused about the name. About the controls, is it normal that it has a weird acceleration on both movement and looking? I feel that I can't be accurate while moving around and less so looking. Going to pass on this one unless it is 10€ or something and only if they fix the controls because right now I hate that acceleration.
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Snak posted:I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Some people mistake the ending of TLoU as being the tired question "Should you kill a bunch of people to save someone you care about, objective "greater good" They killed in self defense 99% of the time. They murdered two people, 0 depending on how you look at it regarding getting Ellie out of the hospital. Renoistic posted:TLoU ending chat. Of course Joel did what he did in order to protect Ellie, but he also did it for his own selfish reasons. Her mother was already dead. The firefly lady was no mother figure. At no point is it ever even suggested that Ellie knew she'd have to die to make a cure and it's impossible to know what she would have wanted. uncle w benefits fucked around with this message at 12:47 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 12:39
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In the game yeah but Joel fully admits to being on the other side at some point in his life, during the bit where they get ambushed by people who want to kill them for their stuff.
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May 1, 2017 12:48
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Uncle w Benefits posted:Finished The Last Of Us. What a stupendous game, wowee! Who agrees with the ending? I'm certainly happy with it but maybe because I'm an old man dad. I'm going to let the whole game gel into the old noodle and take a break for a bit. What does Left Behind offer up? I guess it's a side story, or maybe I play the game over from another perspective. Joel Is Right (but still a bad person) quote:More than anything I'm team Joel because I don't trust that the Fireflies knew what the gently caress they are doing and they never actually gave Ellie the chance to consent. They deserved everything they got. He had to lie to Ellie at the end but there was an unspoken understanding Joel did the right thing.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I tried using it, but it said it was expired. Crap sorry man. I didn't even know those expired. It came with Dishonored 2.
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limaCAT posted:Imagine four peggle balls on the edge of a cliff. This, my darling, is the Zybourne Pop.
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veni veni veni posted:Crap sorry man. I didn't even know those expired. It came with Dishonored 2. No biggie.
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Wandle Cax posted:Is the last of us anime? TLoU features a teenaged girl with big eyes in compromised positions. Clearly anime.
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Failboattootoot posted:TLoU features a teenaged girl with big eyes in compromised positions. Clearly anime. I feel like this says creepier things about you than the game.
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How likely is it that Joel will have as big a role this time around? I know Naughty Dog have said Ellie will be the main character in TLOU2, but I could see some sort of scenario where they write him out of the main action of the script for awhile.
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She's no precious flower. I had a good chuckle when she took one of bills gay mags and, while leafing through it asked 'how does he walk with that thing' followed up with 'why are the pages sticky?' only to say she's loving with you. Girl cusses like a sailor Joel is only a bad person if, when he was a part of those Hunters, he was an accomplice in the murder of innocent people. uncle w benefits fucked around with this message at 17:22 on May 1, 2017 |
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Guillermus posted:I just played the Prey demo. I think the game is interesting but I hate that it's called Prey. I loved (even if it wasn't that great) the old one and this one has nothing to do so I kind of feel confused about the name. About the controls, is it normal that it has a weird acceleration on both movement and looking? I feel that I can't be accurate while moving around and less so looking. It's apparently a PS4 specific issue that the dev claims will be fixed in the final version. Dishonored 2 feels kinda lovely to this day so I don't know if I believe it.
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exquisite tea posted:How likely is it that Joel will have as big a role this time around? I know Naughty Dog have said Ellie will be the main character in TLOU2, but I could see some sort of scenario where they write him out of the main action of the script for awhile. Joel is almost certainly dead in TLOU2. Although whether or not he is in the beginning remains to be seen. My guess is that he died between games or his death for the setup in the prologue. Edit: it's also possible he is absent but he is almost certainly some sort of hallucination in the trailer and isn't actually there. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 17:32 on May 1, 2017 |
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Uncle w Benefits posted:She's no precious flower. I had a good chuckle when she took one of bills gay mags and, while leafing through it asked 'how does he walk with that thing' followed up with 'why are the pages sticky?' only to say she's loving with you. It's a confirmed thing that Joel did hosed-up poo poo like everyone else when he was a bandit. He admits it as much himself on multiple occasions, not to mention his brother being pretty traumatized by the poo poo he made them do to survive. Or even just the guy standing in the road setting up the ambush; "I've been on both sides of this before."
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Snak posted:I agree with all of this. I see what you are saying. My bad
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Really dumb question I should know the answer to, but I don't exactly know how to google it. Is there a way to bring a local friend with me online in games like Rocket League without having the second profile be active with PS+? I have a few dummy profiles set up, but they don't have PSN tags. When I try to bring them with me in RL, I'm asked to sign them in. I've also tried it with the guest function, but it also asks me to sign the guest into PSN. I'm spoiled from the 360 days where you could load up with 3 guests and jump into a match of Halo as long as the one profile had an active sub.
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Uncle w Benefits posted:They killed in self defense 99% of the time. They murdered two people, 0 depending on how you look at it regarding getting Ellie out of the hospital.
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Samurai Sanders posted:That final look on her face after Joel lied to her was probably the most nuanced I have ever seen in a video game, but I still came away thinking that she saw right through him but is going to forgive it, as children have to for their parents sometimes. You should play This War of Mine if you haven't . This is basically what it is and it's really good. It was a also free so I'm assuming you already own it. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 17:58 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 17:55
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I just hope TLOU2 multiplayer is as good as the first one
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veni veni veni posted:Edit: it's also possible he is absent but he is almost certainly some sort of hallucination in the trailer and isn't actually there.
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Shadow225 posted:Really dumb question I should know the answer to, but I don't exactly know how to google it. There's no 'guest' on PS4 but as long as the profile with PS+ is set as the primary profile in the system, any profile you make on it should be able to go online.
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Shadow225 posted:Really dumb question I should know the answer to, but I don't exactly know how to google it. I have never gotten this to properly work on PS4 no matter how I tried to do it, if there is a way I would love to know the answer as well. I suspect it's broken on PSN specifically but not sure. To the post above me: it will force the guest account to sign in with a PSN account before you can queue for a match, it doesn't have to be a PSN+ though I don't think (not sure tho). It's still annoying though because you have to basically create a secondary account just for a guest unless I am missing something.
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Crows Turn Off posted:How is that an almost certainty? What hints did the trailer drop to imply this? Well I guess you could interpret Joel seeming to materialize out of thin air when he first walks into the house, that we never see him face on, and that he seems rather nonchalant about a room full of dead bodies all as being a little off. But I don't know if we're supposed to take the TLOU2 trailer as a literal event or as just a one-off teaser that isn't really part of the story.
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Ellie is 14-15 in TLoU so it's not a stretch to assume it's only 5-8 years later and Joel could easily just be a healthy 60 year old man.
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exquisite tea posted:he seems rather nonchalant about a room full of dead bodies If you aren't nonchalant about dead bodies you wouldn't last five minutes in that world
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Well not so much that they're dead, but that by deduction Ellie brutally murdered them and is now playing guitar over one of their corpses.
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Crows Turn Off posted:How is that an almost certainty? What hints did the trailer drop to imply this? I'd suggest watching it again because I didn't really catch it the first time but nothing adds up if you watch the trailer closely. You have Ellie, covered in blood and surrounded in fresh bodies. Joel casually strolls in after whatever went down, completely calm, surrounded in a heavenly glow. He's pristine looking with no signs of being in a struggle. The only thing he does is ask Ellie what she is going to do and she states that she wants to kill every last one of them. I mean, it could be a red herring or just a really odd trailer but it really feels like it's pointing towards TLOU 2 revolving around revenge for something that happened to Joel. I guess saying it's almost a certainty is an overstatement but it seems really likely to me. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 1, 2017 |
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