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I think it's time they let The Binding of Isaac take over as the final race instead of Super Metroid.
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Jan 16, 2017 04:21
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Rirse posted:That or SGDQ has the big Super Metroid race be with Rotation. I would say Randomizer, but honestly that won't work in a speed run.
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Jan 16, 2017 04:46
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Your Computer posted:I think it's time they let The Binding of Isaac take over as the final race instead of Super Metroid. They want it last because save/kill is a massive money maker. But they need rock solid commentary for it to work, and it wasn't there this year
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Jan 16, 2017 04:48
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Your Computer posted:I think it's time they let The Binding of Isaac take over as the final race instead of Super Metroid. I respectfully disagree
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Jan 16, 2017 06:30
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Your Computer posted:I think it's time they let The Binding of Isaac take over as the final race instead of Super Metroid. ah yes, a race that can be won or lost by RNG in the first five minutes of an hour long run, that's exactly what I want in a final race IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Jan 16, 2017 07:02
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I can't take it anymore!  I posted in the wrong thread, that was supposed to be a funny joke!I've brought shame upon my family.
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Jan 16, 2017 07:05
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IcePhoenix posted:ah yes, a race that can be won or lost by RNG in the first five minutes of an hour long run, that's exactly what I want in a final race dude they added seeded runs a long time ago not that I would give it a marquee slot though
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Jan 16, 2017 07:17
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CrashCat posted:dude they added seeded runs a long time ago That's good then. That one race a couple years ago just made me not care about it any more so I didn't realize.
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Jan 16, 2017 07:20
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CrashCat posted:dude they added seeded runs a long time ago Yeah last time they did a seed run, it was a Azrael getting a ton of broken items dull run.
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Jan 16, 2017 07:23
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Yeah the couch and announcer for Super Metroid weren't good, which was even worse because 100% is a boring category; the solution is to do Metroid better, tho. I'd be fine with an Isaac RNG four-way race during off hours. I think it would be more interesting than people suspect even if 2/4 racers got hosed over by RNG on the first couple floors. We've literally had a Super Metroid race be decided at Phantoon because one of the racers died, and there's a much lower chance of that person coming back to win than somebody who gets a few poo poo item pulls on Isaac. I watch GDQ to be entertained foremost. If you wanna see a game played optimally you can watch a TAS.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:10
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After watching the rotation run I fully support replacing the traditional race with a rotation race for an event or two to break the monotony.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:12
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No one runs seeded Isaac. If you take out the decision making about what items to pick up when then Isaac is a very boring game. Managing RNG is literally why the game is interesting.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:34
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The idea is to give every entrant in the race the same seed for balance, but that seed would be randomised so that they're all still blind.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:38
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I'll put another recommendation out for Action Henk. As the commentator described it: "It's Trials without the bike". Fast-paced, fun, good commentary from the couch.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:46
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AlphaKretin posted:The idea is to give every entrant in the race the same seed for balance, but that seed would be randomised so that they're all still blind. Sounds like an exercise in strategic screen-looking.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:19
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wizard on a water slide posted:Yeah the couch and announcer for Super Metroid weren't good, which was even worse because 100% is a boring category; the solution is to do Metroid better, tho. Isaac has bombed at like, every single GDQ it's ever been ran at. I'm prepared to call it, it's just not a good marathon game. I don't even think it's a good speedgame period, let alone marathon game but I cannot imagine an Isaac race working out in any format, even seeded. Doc Hawkins posted:Sounds like an exercise in strategic screen-looking. This guy gets it, and incidentally you've also tapped into the reason seeded Isaac SRL races got lovely.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:22
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I think Crypt of the Necrodancer is the only Roguelike that's actually been run with some success at the GDQs, unless I'm forgetting another one.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:24
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Vermain posted:I think Crypt of the Necrodancer is the only Roguelike that's actually been run with some success at the GDQs, unless I'm forgetting another one. That run was also loving batshit crazy
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Jan 16, 2017 10:26
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Vermain posted:I think Crypt of the Necrodancer is the only Roguelike that's actually been run with some success at the GDQs, unless I'm forgetting another one. Was Spelunky ran at any point? I swear I remember seeing it on schedules but I don't think I ever watched it if it was. I might be conflating schedules with submissions here.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:27
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Isaac has bombed at like, every single GDQ it's ever been ran at. I'm prepared to call it, it's just not a good marathon game. I don't even think it's a good speedgame period, let alone marathon game but I cannot imagine an Isaac race working out in any format, even seeded. It's easy to prevent the runners from seeing each other's screens, though? Not saying is a good speedrun game, but that one problem is easy to solve.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:38
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Spongebob is one of the sleeper hits of agdq in my opinion. It's a really interesting run with a lot of cool tricks, the couch is really informative and the runner seems to hit most of his tricks while providing solid commentary. It was an early run so it was kinda low energy, but it's definitely worth a watch.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:46
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Would screen looking be that bad? Surely it'll just be a minor bit of rubber banding.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:48
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Fangz posted:Would screen looking be that bad? Surely it'll just be a minor bit of rubber banding. Looking at other people's streams while racing the game online already kinda totally breaks the point of racing seeded and that entails some degree of stream delay. plus it's just kind of loving lame Elman posted:It's easy to prevent the runners from seeing each other's screens, though? Not saying is a good speedrun game, but that one problem is easy to solve. Sure, but that's a really weird provision for a speedrun race to even need.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:50
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Isaac races have an audience and community, but it has consistently failed to resonate with the GDQ crowd. Admittedly they've only done Rebirth once, but I really don't have high hopes for it. Also the nature of the game probably makes it a harder sell as GDQ gets more mainstream attention.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:50
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Doc Hawkins posted:Sounds like an exercise in strategic screen-looking. This argument is so dumb it literally makes my head hurt. This argument is so dumb you could solve it with a loving piece of cardboard.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:00
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Your Computer posted:This argument is so dumb it literally makes my head hurt. And yet it was the exact reason seeded races didn't take off much on SRL. In person, sure but I don't see it even getting submitted if it has no footholding in that community. I also still don't think it'd be a good idea anyway.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:10
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Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Isaac run at GDQ either way.. .. But you gotta agree that "we can't run this because our community is literally too juvenile not to screenlook" is hilarious.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:13
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Your Computer posted:.. But you gotta agree that "we can't run this because our community is literally too juvenile not to screenlook" is hilarious. It is! But it's also literally the reality.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:15
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Isaac is a bad speedgame because items are RNG and there are a few items that are OP as gently caress so if you want a really good time you basically have to reset until you get one. Isaac is an okay racing game because you only need to beat one other person's RNG, not the RNG of everyone who has ever run the game. An important part of racing strategy is knowing what your opponent is doing so you can decide between pushing forward or pushing for a better build. Because you only need to beat one opponent the amount of control you do have over your build comes into play, and good racers can win pretty consistently. Even then sometimes poo poo just goes sideways though. Isaac is probably a bad marathon game because if you don't understand the floor progression or what the items do then you won't understand why racers make the decisions they do. Its just not a very accessible game if you don't know what's going on.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:16
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I mean, there are a million games that could hypothetically be used for racing. It's just that none of them have the draw of Super Metroid, except maybe Super Mario 64.
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Jan 16, 2017 13:09
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If there were more than 2 people in the world who were actually good at Dustforce that'd be hype as hell, race-wise.
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Samuel Clemens posted:I mean, there are a million games that could hypothetically be used for racing. It's just that none of them have the draw of Super Metroid, except maybe Super Mario 64. I only caught bits and pieces of the Sunshine race (Sunshine isn't my cup of tea, mind you), but from what I saw, all four runners were having a good time, joking around with each other, and all rather carefree about it. Contrast to WE MUST BE SUPER SERIOUS ABOUT THIS with Super Metroid.
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Jan 16, 2017 15:22
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Wasn't half the reason they moved to headsets with mics so that the runners could hear over the crowd noise?
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Jan 16, 2017 15:26
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Sir Tonk posted:Wasn't half the reason they moved to headsets with mics so that the runners could hear over the crowd noise? Likely, but even then when the room is full, you're still going to hear it. I understand "Hey, we need serious time for Metroid skip" or even Phantoon because both are hard to do. But when the commentary is absolute crap, the audience is going to get restless and we get the silliness.
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Jan 16, 2017 15:30
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Was Spelunky ran at any point? I swear I remember seeing it on schedules but I don't think I ever watched it if it was. It was and the run went fine, but it wasn't a really spectacular run, either. Spelunky has the advantage that virtually every configuration can be quickly run to a conclusion. You might not be able to get to the hidden boss fast, but pretty much the only way to have a run not completable at Olmec in five minutes is if it somehow doesn't spawn any bombs beyond your starter or a pick. Okay, technically there's a two or three "impossible" configurations that can come up (impossible without bombs or a way to go up and back down two levels safely when you didn't know in advance that there was a massive void in the level) and those are absurdly rare as well. I recall Risk of Rain getting run a few times and neither of those runs going well either.
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The crowd and commentary makes AGDQ. If I want serious time for metroid I can just watch oatsngoats stream or something.
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iospace posted:I only caught bits and pieces of the Sunshine race (Sunshine isn't my cup of tea, mind you), but from what I saw, all four runners were having a good time, joking around with each other, and all rather carefree about it. Contrast to WE MUST BE SUPER SERIOUS ABOUT THIS with Super Metroid. it was one of the top runs for sure
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tweet my meat posted:Spongebob is one of the sleeper hits of agdq in my opinion. It's a really interesting run with a lot of cool tricks, the couch is really informative and the runner seems to hit most of his tricks while providing solid commentary. It was an early run so it was kinda low energy, but it's definitely worth a watch. I heard it was legitimate speedgame so I went to watch the world record on speedruns.com by the guy who ran it this year before agdq. Dude seemed like a huge rear end in a top hat in the video so I intentionally skipped his run.
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Forer posted:Dude seemed like a huge rear end in a top hat in the video so I intentionally skipped his run. He was a pretty normal guy at AGDQ, it's a good run.
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