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Okay, I may need to start watching this again after all.
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Feb 20, 2017 18:26
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I hope the Gabriel Lullaby shows up on the soundtrack CD. Vinge in her demon outfit would sell boatloads of dakimakura.
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Feb 20, 2017 19:56
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I have a canoe, will that do?
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Feb 20, 2017 21:54
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I will say, I hope Gab and Vigne getting in trouble with their bosses isn't a throwaway plot device. I feel like there's a decent setup in there for a pretty decent ending.
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Feb 20, 2017 22:10
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Poor Vigne. Amusingly Satania is probably the only one who's not getting her allowance cut.  Speaking of Satania, I know which character lullaby I'd prefer.
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Feb 21, 2017 00:09
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Spiritus Nox posted:I will say, I hope Gab and Vigne getting in trouble with their bosses isn't a throwaway plot device. I feel like there's a decent setup in there for a pretty decent ending. Well, although I don't know how much of the manga hasn't been translated yet, we sort of see the angels' boss, but even there the plot thread is left hanging. And actually, now that I think about it, that whole thing where their allowances are cut is anime original I'm pretty sure. So maybe they are setting up for an original ending. Agronox fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 00:58
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Vigne: Worst demon, best girl. 
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Feb 21, 2017 03:49
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Vigne: Worst demon, best girl.  I would be friends with her and enjoy it.
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Feb 21, 2017 03:55
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Poil posted:Poor Vigne. Amusingly Satania is probably the only one who's not getting her allowance cut. I don't know. Satania might be less of a good person, but she's about as incompetent at evil as Vigne is. I can't imagine any of them are doing too well with the higher-ups.
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Feb 21, 2017 03:57
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don't know. Satania might be less of a good person, but she's about as incompetent at evil as Vigne is. I can't imagine any of them are doing too well with the higher-ups. I slightly suspect that Satania's try-harding is basically just being extremely chuuni and probably doesn't accurately reflect her values as a person; I get the feeling she'd feel guilty if accidentally pushed a kid who scrapped his knee as a result. I don't see anything about her that would make me really think "bad person" to any degree. Really the only ones I'm not too sure about are Gab and Raphi. Gab in the more "Doesn't care about anyone that isn't Vigne or Tapris" which is possibly the most blatant dereliction of heavenly duty; while Raphi might draw the line at causing physical harm but just has a more innocent version of Kotomine Kirei's desire to screw with peoples heads. In a more cynical work I could see Raphi doing fine because "The Lord works in ~mysterious ways~".
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Feb 21, 2017 04:39
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don't know. Satania might be less of a good person, but she's about as incompetent at evil as Vigne is. I can't imagine any of them are doing too well with the higher-ups. Satania is at least making a token effort at being evil, plus some of the things she's done could be considered 'bad' in a rather loose sense of the term, like the improperly recycling of water bottles, or the whole 'posing' thing from last episode. Compared to Vigne, who's more patient than a saint, at the very least I could see Satania not getting as big of a cut in her allowance.
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Feb 21, 2017 05:25
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Raenir Salazar posted:I slightly suspect that Satania's try-harding is basically just being extremely chuuni and probably doesn't accurately reflect her values as a person; I get the feeling she'd feel guilty if accidentally pushed a kid who scrapped his knee as a result. I don't see anything about her that would make me really think "bad person" to any degree. I'm not saying Satania's a bad person, just that compared to someone as supernaturally nice and helpful as Vigne she doesn't quite measure up. Gab is clearly the worst at her job though, because while Vigne is simply completely unsuited to being a demon Gab is just completely worthless in every way and only cares about video games.
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Feb 21, 2017 05:40
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What did they actually teach in hell school if not how to ruin poo poo for others?
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Feb 21, 2017 07:02
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let's just say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree
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Feb 21, 2017 09:49
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Vigne: Worst demon, best girl. 
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Feb 21, 2017 10:09
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Space Flower posted:let's just say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree Satania's family is special
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Feb 21, 2017 12:37
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BTW if you didn't get the joke in that segment, the coffee shop owner basically told her to act like a stereotypical gyaru from like, a decade ago. The actual phrase she says is "super very bad", with the "very bad" in English. Not too far off from the English slang usage of "bad", or the Japanese "yabai", AFAIK. EDIT: After some googling, "super very bad" shows up in a Sailor Moon stage production song from 1996. That's a very old bit of slang.
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Tarezax posted:1996 bwuh
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Feb 21, 2017 12:43
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It even has a wikipedia article, which lists it as an obsolete/dead phrase.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:45
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looks like it's time to bring it back
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Dryzen posted:looks like it's time to bring it back 
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Feb 21, 2017 13:12
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This is one of the few shows where I kinda wish the subber would be more literal, or at least more sensible. The "kitchen sink" thing a few episodes ago, and the "homer" part this week... ugh.
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Feb 21, 2017 16:08
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"itadakimasu" translated as "under the dark lord, amen"
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Feb 21, 2017 16:39
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:"itadakimasu" translated as "under the dark lord, amen" I was perfectly fine with that one.
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Feb 21, 2017 16:41
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AnoHito posted:I was perfectly fine with that one. The argument I hear against that one is that she's not supposed to be demonic at all, and praying to the dark lord kind of is, but eh. The "throw a homer" one was what got me, especially because they say it like three times.
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Feb 21, 2017 16:51
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z0glin Warchief posted:The argument I hear against that one is that she's not supposed to be demonic at all, and praying to the dark lord kind of is, but eh. What was actually being said there?
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Feb 21, 2017 16:59
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Kibibit posted:What was actually being said there? A literal translation would be like "where are you throwing?"
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Feb 21, 2017 17:06
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z0glin Warchief posted:A literal translation would be like "where are you throwing?"
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z0glin Warchief posted:The "throw a homer" one was what got me, especially because they say it like three times. yeah that line was a miss for me because who says that? overall though, if I know what's being said in the japanese of a given line, then I think the TL of that line is, by nature, not meant for me.. I think the english script does a fine job of, as a tweet I saw put it, eliciting the same response without trying to translate the japanese literally. it's real cheesy which is sometimes a groaner and sometimes makes me giggle, like this one where the japanese is just "sasuga vigne" but the english script picks up on the visual gag and runs with it 
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wololo
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Vigne and Gab are going to switch sides by the end of this show aren't they?
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Feb 21, 2017 17:31
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Space Flower posted:I think the english script does a fine job of, as a tweet I saw put it, eliciting the same response without trying to translate the japanese literally. I'm in favor of this style of translation, but I do sort of think they take it too far sometimes, mostly when adding a gag when there was none in the original line (in which case you're explicitly not trying to elicit the same response). At that point it's mostly a question of personal taste though, so  .
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I think there can be an argument for the overall localized tone of the show being supported by ongoing dialogue gags like that. It reminds me of Disgaea's localization, especially if you're reading it alongside JP audio
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Nitrousoxide posted:Vigne and Gab are going to switch sides by the end of this show aren't they? Gab gives zero fucks as long as her allowance is coming in as is her nature. Vigne cares a lot, but I imagine she'll inadvertently use Gab and her being a lovely angel as proof of her work to maintain her position. (Translations have only gotten up to the angels having to do a check-in, the demons haven't, but we get to see their pets)
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Space Flower posted:I think there can be an argument for the overall localized tone of the show being supported by ongoing dialogue gags like that. It reminds me of Disgaea's localization, especially if you're reading it alongside JP audio Yeah it's certainly a valid approach to take, and probably also a good business decision as it seems to be driving a bunch of discussion online. I'd probably appreciate it more if it were done with a dub or manga, where I didn't have the original to compare it to—reading all these jokes while listening to normal conversation in the audio feels really awkward—but I'm hardly the target audience.
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I'm usually very lenient when it comes to localization. But I've lived all across the US all my life, East coast to West coast, small towns to the biggest cities, and I have never heard the phrase "throw a homer" in my life, nor could determine what it meant. When it happened the third time I closed my eyes and listened to the Japanese because I had a better chance of understanding that than the translated phrase.
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There were a number of really awkwardly translated phrases in this episode. The hell does "Throw a homer?" even mean anyway? I thought that was exactly the kind of thing the pitcher in baseball wants to avoid? I know I would have also been confused as hell if I didn't actually know enough Japanese to easily pick out "where are you throwing?". And Vigne saying the traditional Japanese prayer before a meal is supposed to further reinforce how she isn't demonic, changing it to some prayer to the dark lord doesn't even fit what the sequence was building for. I can forgive the whole "Oh-so-beastly" bit because its a untranslatable pun joke. (Demon == Akuma, Bear = Kuma, she puts on a bear suit "Ah! Kuma!".  ) The biker gang stuff is also way off from the literal translation but fits the tone of what was being said so it gets a pass.
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:"itadakimasu" translated as "under the dark lord, amen" 
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