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cosmicprank posted:You're all... kind of stupid for caring more about asinine social issues and branding each other racist for this reason and that reason than the real biggest issue on this planet. You realize this will never do anything but further divide this majority white nation (literally acknowledging that triggers most of you I'm sure, facts are tuff I kno) instead of caring about the actual fate of the planet. If you don't think the biggest tragedy of the Donald Trump presidency is anything but the fact that he is a CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER, I am sorry, you are short sighted and need to spend a few less hours on tumblr each day. Get in the climate change thread and realize none of your squabbles matter whatsoever. You, and massive swaths of both liberals and conservatives alike, are putting things like making sure there is equal representation of genders religions and races in every boardroom, coal mine and restaurant staff as a higher priority issue than keeping the oceans full of edible life. The hilarious irony is liberals really, really do not get that in a majority white nation, you will ALWAYS lose politically if you demonize white people (nice job with "white people don't know what it's like to be poor, Bernie, I'm sure the entire poor white rust belt just let that one slide") and you will NOT get them to all self-hate themselves and realize the errors of theirs and their ancestors ways, at least not any time before we're already having massive sects of our world population die from food insecurity. And yet you still think this is a "fight worth fighting". Obama is functionally a climate-change denier. All Americans are in the sense that they don't really care or secretly fear that we passed the point of no return 15 years ago. Is there even a plan to save the earth that will work, setting aside the question of whether any human can successfully put it into action?
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cosmicprank posted:What problems are you solving, honestly, with this "The Culture War" thread. List the problems you're combatting and the progress this thread has made toward fixing said problems. How do humans halt or reverse the conditions currently warming the planet? How do we stop global warming?
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Jan 11, 2017 03:12
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cosmicprank posted:I picked this thread because I looked through the thread and it's honestly a pathetic thread. Look at it. It's asinine squabbling. Future generations suffering from what I've laid out would, 100%, be ashamed and likely enraged to read it. Why not pull this in the thread in gbs where they're arguing about the best way to ridicule a coprophile furry fetishist?
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Jan 11, 2017 03:15
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cosmicprank posted:Are you honestly asking? I've told you multiple times to read the climate change thread. You won't. Equal representation of employed minorities at SeaWorld is a bigger issue. It's very long. What's the pith of stopping global warming? Just boil it down to a paragraph and don't worry about the political practicality angle--just explain what humanity will have to do to save itself.
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Jan 11, 2017 03:17
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A voting bloc isn't the same thing as a movement ally. Evangelicals sure as gently caress aren't Trump's allies. They believe that their god will use him as an instrument to create a protestant caliphate and then either magically rewrite his mind into a true believer or literally cast him into the fire so Cruz or Falwell jr. or somebody can rise like King David. They absolutely detest him but think he will do what they want. Even the ones who aren't bugfuck crazy with the divine intervention poo poo are single-issue voters who only care about overturning Roe v. Wade. The republican voting bloc is a collection of single-issue groups that don't care about anything else as long as they get what they want. The whole point of being an ally is that you're acting in good faith to help others. If you're not actually helping them, either because you're not acting in good faith or for any other reason, you should care and be grateful for constructive criticism and also maybe understand why oppressed people get frustrated with ineffective help.
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Jan 11, 2017 22:43
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I guess if one jerk participates in any mass movement, the entire movement is forever discredited because it couldn't stop that one jerk from being rude to you or not considering your hurt feelings the movement's top priority?
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Jan 11, 2017 23:00
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If we're going in the direction of useless anecdotes, I was once yelled at for saying something stupid without realizing it, and that event caused me to think critically about myself and my assumptions and I became more thoughtful as a result. What's funny is that the person who yelled at me probably wrote me off as a stupid rear end in a top hat who would never change. So there, that's at least as meaningful as our hypothetical well-meaning moderate who does a reactionary hulk-out if told that it's rude to ask where an Asian-looking person is really from or whatever.
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Jan 12, 2017 03:15
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The Kingfish posted:It's not armchair philosophy, it's based on solid psychological research. I don't give a spicy poo poo about all the hearts and minds you think DnD threads have swayed. Those threads have given a lot to me, and I simply read them. Much like how I listen to what people say over how they say it. But then, I'm curious about what they're saying and not preoccupied with protecting my ego and don't presume that others exist to cater to me. I had to learn that through being alive, by the way.
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Jan 12, 2017 04:41
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Higsian posted:Problem is tone policing is super loving huge amongst the white middle class. You see it as being something used to shut down POC and women (because it is, but also) because you don't see first hand how it's used within middle class white society all the time. Which is your loss because it deprives you of a very strong weapon that every powerful white person holds over the largest (depending on how you define middle class) demographic in the west.. But I'll drop the argument here. Think about it though. Weak cowards use anything they can latch onto to avoid hearing what they know will not serve their interests. There's no way to win that rhetorical game because the tone objections pop up in response to what they don't want to hear rather than structuring the way they hear it. Accede to one objection and a different one pops up because tons of white people have been programmed from birth to defend themselves from reality. The problem is that they simply can't listen without risking toppling the house of cards that bears the full weight of white supremacy.
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Jan 12, 2017 04:48
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I'm saying the offense is rooted in the message itself and not the way it's delivered. Until a person realizes that, they'll never listen.
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Jan 12, 2017 04:54
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It assumes total innocence on the part of the questioner, that white people exist outside of race and so total ignorance is both acceptable and the duty of those marked by race to correct. I've never understood why it isn't considered rude as hell to just ask questions with complex answers as if total racial ignorance is an inevitable part of being white. Also that so many people expect to be catered to and coddled in getting answers to their every quest. Is it so loving hard to read a book? I read all the time and have a job and active social life.
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Jan 13, 2017 04:38
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The goal of activism isn't to educate white people. It is to secure and enforce the rights of nonwhite people. White people carry a moral obligation to educate themselves. If you signed up for some kind of lecture series or training about race in America, I'm sure the professor would treat your curiosity with encouragement and generosity, so long as you did the reading first. Outside of that context, it's silly to assume someone else will become your teacher if you make no effort on your own to learn and grow first.
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Jan 13, 2017 05:28
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What is the role of the listener in these exchanges. Are there boundaries of appropriateness for one that makes an error or asks a question of another? Where do our norms and expectations of the white listener come from?
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Jan 13, 2017 05:53
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Yet much of this discussion involves a "you" who educates and a "them" who is educated. There are normative claims going around here that make certain demands of the one who educates. I am wondering whether we expect anything of the person receiving this outreach we've been imagining.
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Jan 13, 2017 06:03
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The Saurus posted:In my eyes, the globalist neoliberalism that Obama and Clinton support is a far greater evil than Trump's nationalism. Surprise! He's both. Goldman Sachs owns the country now, plus there will be concentration camps.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:13
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The Saurus posted:If I wished for concentration camps then I'm pretty sure I'd be satiated with the past 8 years of Obama refusing to close one. Nobody's saying Obama and Clinton were good. We're saying that Trump is a much accelerated form of what made them bad, plus an evil form of nationalism. One camp full of kids sold to us soldiers by warlords for $100 a head in 2002 is bad, but blm marchers shot dead in the street or grabbed out of their beds at night by secret police does nothing to close Guantanamo and harms many more human lives. The aca is bad, but its repeal will not get you any closer to socialism and will kill me.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:59
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on the left posted:How is the ACA a fair system? It forces young healthy people to subsidize old people at gunpoint. I am a grad student and the spikiness of income + lack of benefits means that am required to pay $300 a month for insurance that would only be available in a catastrophic situation, yet I am prevented legally from buying inexpensive catastrophic insurance. What are the details of your plan? You should at least have low copays for annual physicals. What is your definition of catastrophic? My deductible limit is like $5000 for an entire year.
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Jan 14, 2017 23:20
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on the left posted:My old catastrophic plan was 15k, my ACA plan was 7k, I canceled it the day Trump was elected. If I wanted to just pay outright for routine doctors visits, it would be a lot cheaper than $300 a month * 12 months. Sure hope your job lasts the next four years!
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Jan 14, 2017 23:50
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on the left posted:It's not about my job, it's about the fact that the refusal to band insurance prices by age is blatant theft from the young to benefit the old, and should be overturned on that basis alone. You believe that it is unethical to pay higher insurance rates to keep diabetics alive? Your idea of a just world is one where you save a thousand dollars a year and people with preexisting conditions die?
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Jan 15, 2017 00:03
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on the left posted:All i'm asking is that I have an option to purchase this kind of insurance. Insurance companies can still offer the kind of plans that use community rating and cover pre-existing conditions. If you feel great about paying extra for this sort of coverage, that's great that you would be willing to do so. How old are you? What can you tell us about American healthcare under Reagan?
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Jan 15, 2017 01:04
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Dead Reckoning posted:On the left is obviously only concerned about how the issue affects him personally, but it's disingenuous to appeal to some sort of universal right to healthcare irrespective of expense, because even a national insurance scheme would have to be somehow fenced, whether that be by residency requirements, immigration policy, limits on coverage, etc. "Some sort of universal right to heathcare != "making the American healthcare system more equitable via a pool shared by most Americans." Are you some kind of randroid?
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Jan 15, 2017 02:28
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Peven Stan posted:(((being underemployed and underinsured))) is the fault of (((globalists))) and not my own lack of ability People who have bad benefits packages simply deserve to die, you see.
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Also class in America is literally shaped by race as its economic practices and institutions were deliberately constructed to create white prosperity and a racially coded underclass. If King hadn't been murdered, the civil rights movement would have matured into the poor people's movement.
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