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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
also stone cold might need to breath a minute and maybe understand their own views and how they are presenting.

Edit: this probably makes me somewhat problematic but christ, please try some empathy and understanding.

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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

I liked that article, and it brought a new perspective to my view about The Weathermen Underground.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

stone cold posted:

That's a whole lot of words for #notallwhites

You might be more invested in hating people than introducing nuance into your worldview.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

stone cold posted:

Let's be nuanced over whether racism is bad or not!

I know this ain't a good look for you but are you calling out Asad Haider as being racist for writing that article, or are we the posters that liked that article racist for liking it? Like you might want to elucidate your views beyond one liner dismissals.

Edit: I know you might have generalized feelings of hate and disdain for something that is being said but I would like to understand it better.

Grognan fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Jan 12, 2017

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

climboutonalimb posted:

Asad Haider should have stuck with the premise of his previous publication and stayed logged out

Actually that article is pretty good as well.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

stone cold posted:

Okay, I think the notion that Haider posits that white guilt is more insidious that white supremacy is specious. His willfully dense approach to analyzing white privilege is as misguided as it is patronizing.

I think his notion of equating the class struggle with racist issues is wrong, and he offers no solutions to the working class beyond "ally against white supremacy and private property," which I agree with, but to pretend that the white working class doesn't have race issues is not just naive, but it silences any meaningful objections that the POC working class may have.

Not only that, but to pretend white liberal elites only eschew socialism and not social justice as well is to give them far too much credit.

e: typo

White liberal elites can suck the genitals of their choice for sure, but p+p=r still does not help when you are trying to reach across a gulf where you are trying to explain white privilege to (white)people that have been too poor to even live around anyone else.

Man, I even met a bunch of black dudes that hated Obama because their lives got worse from 08-16. We were all poor as poo poo working temp jobs in lovely conditions. I am not saying that we need to abandon racial and social justice rhetoric, but we need to understand when simply saying "racism" or "sexism" is not going to reach a significant amount of people because it simply changes who the boss is.

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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
real talk, how did you get the hate and avatar?

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