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Main Paineframe posted:People aren't really big on the whole "sacrifice for the sake of society" thing. Sometimes they choose to, but they don't appreciate being forced to, and they certainly don't see the social benefit as proper compensation for their loss - especially since they're often convinced that the supposed social benefit is bullshit someone cooked up as a lame excuse to deprive them of what they rightly deserve. A more equitable distribution of wealth and opportunity might benefit society as a whole, but that's no comfort to the people who benefited from the existing inequities. I think that's a pretty big flaw in Privilege Theory. Casting any gain by black people as a loss for white people is not a great way to get white people on-board with anti-racism.
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Brainiac Five posted:On the other hand, solipsists like you are good for nothing, so antiracism seems fine without ya. What?
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Jan 10, 2017 16:47
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Brainiac Five posted:Your post considers the truthfulness of the theory as irrelevant. Someone indifferent to whether something accurately describes reality or not and who cares about whether it makes them feel good in their tummy is a solipsist. If you seriously think that white people would be worse off in a less racist society, then isn't it logical for white people to support racism?
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Jan 10, 2017 16:59
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FactsAreUseless posted:I wrote about this in the feminism thread, but basically the benefits of privilege/racial bias for members of the majority aren't that clear-cut. I wrote these in the context of feminism, but the argument applies to racial issues. I disagree with the notion that there are downsides to anti-racism for white people. I am not materially harmed if cops shoot fewer black people. I do not lose "privilege" if black people aren't imprisoned at a disproportionately higher rate.
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Jan 10, 2017 17:16
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PT6A posted:Inasmuch as you're then competing socially and economically with more people of colour who haven't been turned into a permanent underclass through the correctional system, you do. Like factsareuseless and rudatron said, getting people out of prisons would have other positive effects. A society that keeps people imprisoned for no reason is not a society already operating at maximum efficiency. The result wouldn't just be higher unemployment. The idea that a decrease in the black prison population would lead to an increase in white unemployment is crazy, and the fact that it's being propagated by people who consider themselves anti-racist is completely rear end-backwards
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Jan 10, 2017 18:12
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Brainiac Five posted:Hint: the pointy hood is a turn-off for liberals!!! If a guy says he has had better experiences talking with conservatives than liberals, and based off that you call him a KKK member, you do understand that you are only supporting his argument, right?
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