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Regular Nintendo posted:As for comp sci, I'd say that academia could argue that it doesn't belong there, since "computer science" really is just a logic/math curriculum in its strictest sense. Honestly most schools should just rename CS to Software Engineering since that's really the only widely applied use. Sort of like how you could break down the studies of the English language, English literature, and general linguistics into different disciplines. This just gets into the political weeds about whether Universities exist to prepare people for work or to advance, maintain, and spread knowledge. Historically they did the latter, but people now expect the former. I still think there is a lot of value in thinking about information, data structures, etc from a strictly academic perspective, but I can understand why people who are attending as a part of a resume for wage-slavery prefer a jobs focused approach.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:User interface and design has a lot of theory to it, as well. It's silly to silo off computational systems from the fact that people interact with them, and academic purity is no excuse. Yes, UX design has a lot of theory to it (as if anyone argued otherwise). That doesn't mean that it's a computer science subject. It's not related to the science of computing. It's related to the art/craft/engineering project of creating a user facing application. Someone who designs databases does not necessarily need to know about end user interfaces, and the sorts of interfaces they design (APIs) have their own sets of requirements, and frankly are far more forgiving. Even that has little to do with actual computer science. To draw an analogy, there could potentially be reasons to require people majoring in math to study applications of math (such as engineering). That said their degree is not and perhaps should not be focused on those applications, but rather on the study of mathematics.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:That's not true at all. A computer science degree that doesn't talk about computer design and organization, compiler design, etc, is not worth taking. It would be of benefit to have some talk of human interfaces because that's a substantial form of input that these computational systems get these days, pretty much since we got away from punch cards. Much like a biochemist's training should start them on the rudiments of physical chemistry and quantum mechanics, even if they personally will barely use it in grad school if they really focus on biochemistry. You just do not understand what is being talked about. We are talking about the science of information and you are talking about microprocessors and the tools that talk to them which interact with that information. Meditate on that until you genuinely understand it.
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Jan 16, 2017 20:29
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's a reason the originators of Information Science like Shannon were working very closely with really existing hardware and circuits. The constraints you put on the theoretical models for computation are informed by real problems encountered in information processing in the real world of reality, any kind of "science of information" you're doing that is completely divorced from that belongs in a subspecialization of mathematics with an occasional LNM issue. Not to devalue that kind of research, but it's not what I would use to guide the curriculum of someone doing a Bachelor's in Computer Science. Not sure that anyone has suggested that. What we're saying is that there is a friction between the academic ideals of studying information for its own sake or the practical applications demanded by people who want jobs and need to realize economic advantages because they've mortgaged their future income to earn a degree. Calling any academic specialization "not worth taking" can only emerge from consideration of the degree as a path to a job, because if it was the advancement of information for its own sake then it is always worth doing. Training software engineers in UX is absolutely important! But how important is it to train an information scientist in UX? It's probably not. People view CIS degrees in both ways which means they reach different conclusions but are simultaneously correct in their own worldview.
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Jan 16, 2017 20:44
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