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Gail Wynand posted:Guys I believe that we must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children everyone that disagrees with me is a nazi white supremacist. hmmm this position will surely encourage me to debate and discuss thigns with people in a levelheaded manner
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Tolkien minority posted:everyone that disagrees with me is a nazi white supremacist. hmmm this position will surely encourage me to debate and discuss thigns with people in a levelheaded manner same
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You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist.
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TTerrible posted:Yes, this is totally about making sure D&D continues as a branch of Stormfront and nothing to do with getting rid of the bias that resulted in the Hilary/Trump Toxx disaster. News flash: a place can be unwelcoming and sometimes downright hostile to minorities without also being stormfront. Crazy, I know.
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Grapplejack posted:Have you considered that this has nothing to do with you and is about d&d modding in general? Yes the admin thread about D&D modding that was posting publicly instead of in the mod forum for some reason definitely isn't about the new mod that people in QCS are whining about. Especially not when it's directly addressing the stuff those posters are whining about.
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*totally isnt racist* *knows what the word octoroon means off the top of my head*
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LadyAmbien posted:You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist. Three examples from Leper's Colony, please.
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Doctor Butts posted:What are examples of her labeling dissent as racism? uhhhh? Koalas March posted:Lmao, I only probated people (4 people, for 6 hours!) who got reported. If I was really banning people who I thought were shitheads or had terrible opinions like 90% of yall would be gone. it's not a hard concept. Someone goes "Hey a moderator of debate is actually just backing themselves up in arguments and hasn't set themselves apart from the debate at all" "I'M GLAD THE RACISTS ARE SHOOK YA'LL" There is a leap there that is pretty obvious
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:As someone who would have posted this exact thing, say, two years ago, I think D&D is in a pretty good place at the moment, or at least the portions I read are. That doesn't mean there is no one who posts in bad faith or posts personal attacks, but....it's much improved I think, to the point where I don't think this specific announcement was necessary. I too think this announcement causes way more problems than it fixes.
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This thread makes a compelling argument for why D&D mods shouldn't punish based on their personal politics/opinions, because most D&D opinions are hysterical and bad
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Chelb posted:Expecting impartiality is stupid. Unless you turn moderators into robots, that's not going to be possible. And tacitly accepting any slurs or evidences of discrimination short of the vilest is a good way to make D&D more unreadable than it is. You're adorable.
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LadyAmbien posted:You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist. im just making fun of those people please dont lump everyone together i hate d&D lol
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The ideology eater posted:Yes the admin thread about D&D modding that was posting publicly instead of in the mod forum for some reason definitely isn't about the new mod that people in QCS are whining about. Especially not when it's directly addressing the stuff those posters are whining about. The reason being that users need to see that there is going to be change taking place. It is an absolutely ridiculous leap to racism, but that's your opinion and you have a right to it.
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TTerrible posted:Yes, this is totally about making sure D&D continues as a branch of Stormfront and nothing to do with getting rid of the bias that resulted in the Hilary/Trump Toxx disaster. I am happy to have been a part of that.
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I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here.
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LadyAmbien posted:You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist. If your different opinion is "anything other than calling people fags or the n-word should slide", then yeah, I don't have a lot of respect for your beliefs
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What i'm saying is, if this announcement wasn't necessary, you wouldn't have people accusing the OP of being racist 4 posts into the thread.
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fyi I've literally been getting emails from throw away accounts with slurs and stuff but yeah, I guess I'm just projecting when I say racists are seething
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Koalas March posted:fyi I've literally been getting emails from throw away accounts with slurs and stuff but yeah, I guess I'm just projecting when I say racists are seething im sorry do you need a hug (>^-^)>
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LadyAmbien posted:You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist. How is this: quote:This is a place where people pay to post, and have a right to express their personal opinions as long as they are not personally attacking anyone else. Which does NOT include blanket statements regarding groups, unless it is especially extreme. not saying that racism, sexism, homophobia, etc need to be tolerated unless they're particularly extreme? What do you mean by that statement if I am misinterpreting it?
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here. the thing is those kiwifarms posters are funny whereas the people whining about them are not so being the head of an internet comedy forum its pretty clear lowtax should side with the funny
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here. This is a good post.
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Chelb posted:If your different opinion is "anything other than calling people fags or the n-word should slide", then yeah, I don't have a lot of respect for your beliefs
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I have an idea rename this place The Safe Space make another subforum called Racist Debate and Discussion everybody is happy
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Gail Wynand posted:It's pretty simple, /pol/ and /r/the_donald already exist, their members aggressively try to turn every platform they can into an alt right cesspool, and they usually succeed absent aggressive moderation noted altright cesspools, twitter and reddit lollllllllll
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Hey LadyAmbien, did you mean to post this in the mod forum? Because otherwise we can't really discuss whether or not the wording in this announcement allows for racism, sexism, homophobia, or other things we may not want to condone before letting users know about changes you want to make.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here. There's a D&D clique dedicated to finding Bad Posters to add to a spreadsheet with a misleading description of the poster so as to signal that it's ok to post bad faith arguments/insult them in threads idk if this has anything to do with Kiwifarms (maybe they got ahold of it?) drama or whatever, I just find that fact insanely funny
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Tolkien minority posted:the thing is those kiwifarms posters are funny whereas the people whining about them are not so being the head of an internet comedy forum its pretty clear lowtax should side with the funny
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here. I agree that doxxing people is wrong, should not be done and is not welcome here. Thank you for hiding the thread.
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Tolkien minority posted:the thing is those kiwifarms posters are funny whereas the people whining about them are not so being the head of an internet comedy forum its pretty clear lowtax should side with the funny
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Tolkien minority posted:noted altright cesspools, twitter and reddit Are you blind or something?
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FactsAreUseless posted:Who gives a poo poo? What's funny about collecting photos and personal information about our users to fuel your weird hate of LGBT people? If that's this website's new direction then count me the gently caress out. I've been totally willing to support encouraging more flexibility on slurs. Hell, I've always been pretty flexible on that myself. Get D&D a conservative mod. Let's make it more free, let's allow for more debate from all sides. Let's change a situation in which D&D is liberal and GBS is conservative, that's all fine. But I draw the line at encouraging people to act more like the insane doxxing website full of complete loving nutjobs who have made it their job to obsess about the personal lives of other people. Well, I never!
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Cool, here's a good thread for SA to have a discussion about, on our neat debate subforum: Do posters on D&D stifle dialogue by shutting down or attacking unwanted opinions?Koalas March posted:
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FactsAreUseless posted:I've been totally willing to support encouraging more flexibility on slurs. lmao
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FactsAreUseless posted:Who gives a poo poo? What's funny about collecting photos and personal information about our users to fuel your weird hate of LGBT people? If that's this website's new direction then count me the gently caress out. I've been totally willing to support encouraging more flexibility on slurs. Hell, I've always been pretty flexible on that myself. Get D&D a conservative mod. Let's make it more free, let's allow for more debate from all sides. Let's change a situation in which D&D is liberal and GBS is conservative, that's all fine. But I draw the line at encouraging people to act more like the insane doxxing website full of complete loving nutjobs who have made it their job to obsess about the personal lives of other people. personally I was just making fun of shmorky because he poops and pees n diapers and also hits on children i think gay people are pretty cool
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