Goons in Platoons Get Help Thread 5.0: They will miss you.

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TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Cenen posted:

I am so sorry for any offense I may have caused in the GiP Discord, it is a place I enjoy and movie night is the only thing I have to look forward to in my entire life. I am a 30yo single male in a college town surrounded by children I could not hope to relate to in the middle of the pandemic and the movie night was the one night a week during the semesters I could get high and relax and not be alone and if there is anything I could do to be allowed back in the Discord please let me know and I will do it immediately.

There�s a discord? And, bro, as someone who has to rub shoulders with what amounts to �well read, but stupid children� here in college, I can tell you for a fact you ain�t alone and you can find someone, even among your peers, to relate to and bullshit with. You aren�t alone, your life is not merely what you wrote about up there.

I can�t possibly comment on the rest. That�s between you, them, and a whole lot of context I just don�t have. Hope you didn�t use the gamer word at least tho.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 04:05

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 04:46

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Pine Cone Jones posted:

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Idk why you edited out but I saw this earlier. This was the place for said post

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 16:52

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Aopeth posted:

Nevermind.

nah gently caress that, what's going on fam talk to us

# ¿ Jun 13, 2022 08:08

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Hey I know I'm not a regular, but I want to say, the thread title is true and 100% correct.

Don't please, god it hurts and we miss you and it hurts so loving bad when your not there. It affects so many and it's not just family you lose this spark that was there and people love you even if you don't love yourself.

Goddamnit why

Talk to me bud, because I get the feeling this wasn't just a loving ringing endorsement of a thread title. What's happening friend?

# ¿ Feb 25, 2023 12:53

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

If there�s one place on earth you can let it out, it�s here, brother.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2023 15:24

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Short and sweet my trans friend killed herself last Friday likely due to her severe gender dysphoria and getting news that they were going to deny or delay her transition surgery which would have made her wait at least another year to schedule. She was an amazing girl that was smart sweet and had a family that adored and was supportive, just couldn't handle her life in her body when she kept getting delays and her anxiety was so bad she couldn't even look in the mirror or feel comfortable being seen out in public.

We had an amazing conversation overnight and she was so excited, we talked about how she would find someone that valued her and she would feel loved by to be her first after surgery. How she had things lined up for med school after this year, and how she was going to be the girl she always wanted to be.

She had been told her bottom surgery could be moved up and she was so excited. But I think that she got told she might not be able to and her insurance would be done in August and if it got delayed it definitely would be to much.

Just gently caress. She was amazing, and finding out she was gone by a random text trying to find out if I had anything to do with it didn't help. Verifying it was real by looking at the medical examiner's office made it worse.

I remember one time I was on my way to a party, and I got word from a phone call that a trans friend of mine who was dear to me had killed herself. And I was in loving tears the whole drive there. I didn't even stay that long, I just figured I should at least get to where I was going instead of turning around and going home. You didn't have anything to do with it. The motherfuckers who hosed with her future pushed her over the edge. You were a good friend, sounds like you were more than just a good friend but a confidant as well. I know what you're thinking, because I thought it too, "if I just did x or was more present in y way this wouldn't have happened." I promise you, it wouldn't have changed poo poo. She made her choice, just like my friend rean did. Just like my friend zo� (not trans but similar situation, lifelong severe chronic pain). Nothing could have stopped them once they began to execute that plan.

Her struggle is over now, at least she is at peace. That's the only thing that can be said here. It's the rest of us who have to figure out how to deal with it now. That's the worst part about this poo poo. We're all collateral damage when something like this happens. There's more I'd love to say, about the insurance companies, healthcare, and loving America, but I don't think it's indicated now. You know what it is, I know what it is. gently caress em for this poo poo is all I can say. I'm empathetic as hell, and I'm extremely sorry for your loss and your pain. Take care of yourself, friend. Slide into the DMs if you want or keep posting here. Whatever you need to do. We're here for you.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2023 13:23

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Hi, currently in crisis as of last Thursday. Stable but holding on with a white knuckled grip and trying not to spin out further. Dealing with a bit of libel and defamation rn on campus and would like to talk to someone who is also a Nontraditional student veteran like myself on this.

I don�t want sympathy, I don�t want sunshine, I just need to know how to navigate this social space so I don�t suffer another social death, like I did a few years ago with the GiP discord group, getting terminated with extreme prejudice for being a weapons-grade autist, not a normal one apparently. Though I�m gonna guess that the fault was with them too, having heard of some of the poo poo they�ve pulled as of late. gently caress y�all btw.

Anyway yeah, I�m at the point rn where I�m getting appointments mixed up on campus and I have no clue wtf I�m doing except that I�m stuck in survive and fight mode. Putting up the flare. Please send help. Thank you.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2023 19:55

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Hekk posted:

Checking in to let you know that I see your request and am reaching out to people. I don�t think I can offer more than a non judgmental place to vent but I am checking to see if there are others that can better help.

Thank you partner.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2023 20:13

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Bored As gently caress posted:

Dealing with falling outs with social circles loving sucks, man. I've been there for sure. I know you don't want my sympathy, but you have it. And I understand how hard it is and how much it hurts.

I appreciate it friend. I really do. Talked to shim just now, he schooled me. Another bro is in the DMs, imma hit him up tonight with THE DM. And Windshipper is calling me up in an hour+ or so.

Screaming a little bit less internally. Really appreciate the assists y�all. Thank you for what y�all do for each other, but esp how y�all are helping me rn. Thank you.

E: talked to Windshipper. Feeling quite a bit better and understanding my situation more. Going to sleep. Will dm the other bro in the afternoon. Thanks again friends.

TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Mar 29, 2023

# ¿ Mar 28, 2023 22:17

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

windshipper posted:

Glad to hear I could help, brother. Take care and even if you subconsciously feel unnerved, know that you�ve got this and can handle it. You�ll be ok.

Edit: I also feel like I should clarify something - I am willing and I hope able to help out anyone here. I am, however west coast and my contacts - as a result - are primarily west coast. That doesn�t mean I can�t reach out to people who maybe know someone or know an organization who can help. A lot of mental health is simply, �Hey I know someone who knows someone, let me help you tread water until further help can be reached.�

I am truly glad that I was able to talk to TheWeedNumber and give that perspective, but I also don�t want to juice myself beyond who I am.

But I am always available, given my normal work and life constraints. That said, I think he will back me up that I reached back out to him as soon as I saw his PM and did my best to set up a time to contact him. I will respond in kind to anyone who wants it.

All of this is true. Confirmed.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2023 13:12

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Posting to report that I think I'm stable stable again. MH team and support network should be able to handle me from here on out. Thanks for having my back friends. Be well.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2023 22:49

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Talktopus posted:

Hi guys.
I'm not a veteran, but I'm the AA sponsor of one.
He has a little under a year of sobriety right now, and at roughly age 50, this is his first ever serious attempt at Recovery. I've only known him a few months, as he didn't seek sponsorship until eight months clean. He's already made so much progress, and I'm proud of him for being able to open up and get vulnerable about some of the truly awful things that happened to him. He's very hard on himself about being an alcoholic, and still sees his problem as a personal moral weakness. Knowing what I know about his upbringing, and his combat experience, he's gonna have to eventually acknowledge the role these events played in shaping his addictive behavior.
Speaking from my own 12-step experience, sharing extensively about the stuff I was most afraid and ashamed of was the only way I could finally process the pain and guilt I still felt even decades after my own traumas. At the end of the deep dive, my sponsor knew me better than any therapist I'd ever had, and gave me something no SSRI or mood stabilizer ever could: true self-forgiveness. Before that moment, I had lived a life of constant self-flagellation and misery, and everything afterward has been previously-unimaginable levels of sunshine and loving rainbows (at least by comparison).

I want this for my sponsee, too. I want it *so* much.

The problem is this, though: he doesn't want to share about his time in war.
Right now, he's on arguably the longest and most difficult of the 12 Steps - 4: "Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves." I'm taking him through it the way my sponsor showed me: by first writing down all my resentments towards people who'd hurt me, and then writing down all the people I'd hurt in return. Each entry is a few pages long, so it's more than just a bulleted list. Ultimately, it's about putting our pattern of behavior in its complete context. With the full picture of what led to our destructive coping mechanisms, we can healthily acknowledge the behaviors we need to change without punishing ourselves over and over for past mistakes.
It's really hard. I didn't want to do it the first 3 or 4 times, and paid the price by relapsing constantly over 10 years. The only way I was able to make it this time was through a combination of my sponsor's superhuman patience, and my own feeling that I had no more chances left. It hurt. I was miserable and sad for months as I wrote my Step 4, because it felt endless, and I didn't have much hope it would actually help, either.
But it *did*
Oh my God, it helped so much. I just couldn't see how until it was over.

I believe if he's going to really recover, my sponsee has to share this stuff with me no matter how painful it is. He can't see it yet, but there's a future for him where his memories of death and violence have no more power over him - a future where he can turn to some other poor, traumatized kid and say "I know what you went through is terrible, but look at me: I'm happier than I've ever been, thanks to this process. There's hope for you, too. I promise."
That, or he can keep squashing it down inside by trying not to think about it, and find another sponsor.

I know by now there are no magic words to convince a sponsee to finish the steps. At the end of the day, it's his choice whether he wants this or not. It will hurt if he says no, and it will hurt to have to fire him over it.
I would understand, though. His trauma is on a level I couldn't comprehend. I don't know if *I'd* be brave enough to face what he's faced.

I've connected him with a (Vietnam-era) combat veteran in the program. They're going out for coffee tomorrow to talk about this. I can only hope the older guy has a good message for my friend, and that he'll be receptive enough to give this a shot.

In the meantime, I'd love to hear your opinions about this issue, and whether you have any words of hope for my sponsee. I understand there's risk to his mental stability, but from where I'm sitting it'd be an even bigger risk to let things fester forever.

Thank you for reading.

Maybe he needs to share it. But I am not sure this particular thing is something he shares with you. Connecting him with another veteran is the step needed. I question why you would need to "fire" a sponsee because they don't want to tell you about the horrific things they've seen, that you cannot possibly relate to.

I have never seen combat but the Navy and Marine Corps still trained me to be a loving killer and, at heart, that what I am. I just missed the part where I popped my cherry. But the desensitization, the operant and classical conditioning imposed on me to prepare me as a combat medic to fight alongside Marines, that's still imprinted firmly on this autistic veteran's mind. Now imagine someone whose training was completed and actually had to kill or be killed, or see the horrors of war.

The Vietnam-era Combat Veteran is the one who is going to reach him on this if he is to be reached. It ain't gonna be you. But it might be you who abandons him if he can't make the leap in as timely a fashion as the 12 steps calls for. Because neither you nor the people who came up with the 12 steps get it. You simply can't. You weren't there.

I don't think you're an rear end in a top hat by the way, not yet anyway. I know for a fact you mean well. You posted up in here and you're asking us for our thoughts. This is my take on it. However, if you turn your back on him, though it may mean nothing to you cause this is the internet, know that I will never forgive you for that poo poo.

You wanna help him? Get him plugged in with other veterans, maybe a sponsor swap is needed. But there's a difference between transfer of care and "firing" and that's the part that I don't like at all. At Sierra Tucson, when I was there for my depression, we had a veterans program there. The VA will pay for him to do 45-60 days at Sierra Tucson and its not half bad at all. Three hots and a cot, a veterans program, EMDR, group and individual therapy, all free. That's an option you maybe didn't know about. Maybe he can do the 4th step through them. They got AA up there too.

In certain meetings, blocked off to everyone but veterans, I heard the realest poo poo I have ever heard. Dude needs a safe space if he's gonna talk about the war or his moral injury. He may love and respect you but it might not be enough for him to make that jump. At least in that room, filled with other vets, he knows he's safe.

Things I've heard (Trigger Warning from here on out for suicide, child abuse, death. Spoilers for the crowd)
A veteran talk about trying to kill themselves, with a failure to fire on TWO separate pistols.
Same veteran talked about an IED attack his unit suffered that he never got over. Because he wasn't sure if the motorcycle he and his guys saw driving away from the blast were the guys who hit them in the first place. In the same meeting, another veteran (a corpsman) stated that he would have "killed him, and everyone around them after the attack." I have no judgement on either perspective. I mention this only to state that, in that space, things that ordinarily wouldn't have been said or expressed, could exist and be said.
A veteran I had particular love and respect for couldn't speak on his poo poo. But he did express himself enough, choked up with tears, that I know he was trying.
I spoke about being molested as a child (like my literal first memory of life is this) and wondering if that hardwired me to want to fight and enlist in the first place. I worried about being some sort of loving psycho because I couldn't let go of wanting to go to combat. I only include this one to make a point: what you can talk about, other's may not be able to.
Another veteran expressed their anger at children killed by the Taliban. I forget the circumstances. I don't know if its because the Taliban started firefights in which those kids were exposed to combat and subsequent death, or if they were deliberately targeted. I legit can't remember. All I remember is this loveable dude outside the room being full of rage and disgust inside the room.

That's a snapshot. Stories like the above or worse are getting told in that Sierra Tucson room all the loving time. They are being told nation-wide, worldwide. There's a time and place for everything.

Get him to the place he needs to be, around the people he needs to be, so he can finally make that breakthrough. You took him through steps one to three right? Step four may not be meant for you. But you weren't born to save him anyway; you're here to help him save himself.

TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 14:47 on May 23, 2023

# ¿ May 23, 2023 14:30

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

updated my post with additional details so its not missed.

# ¿ May 23, 2023 14:42

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Yooooooo 🚩 alert 🚩 alert 🚩

Nobody in their Goddamn 50�s is a Vietnam combat anything. If they have any combat experience it would be Panama and Grenada and the Gulf War. Possibly GWOT as well but.. yeah. Red flag alert.

2023-59 (my most charitable case here) is 1964. The only combat in Vietnam he saw was on the news.

Obviously don�t not help the guy, I�ve done all 13 of the 12 steps and no, not a typo- he�s on the right step, number 4, but he sounds full of poo poo. That�s gonna be a big hurdle for him to jump as you guide him through step 4.

There�s actual vets in your AA group aren�t there? I�d be hard pressed not to find them in AA and NA.

Dude chose you, a younger, non veteran, for a reason. Probably because he thought you wouldn�t sniff out his bullshit. Now you gotta AA Judo that poo poo and use the momentum of his bullshit to get him to actually take that moral inventory, Vietnam vet bullshit and all, and actually do the 4th step.

Ironically it�s gonna be easier to admit that to someone who hasn�t been through combat than to someone who has. Alcoholics are humans after all, and sponsor or not, we have a reputation for coming down hard on those that do the (stupidly named, and dumber act) �stolen valor� thing. And coming down hard, is likely not what he needs! Not on old step 4!

I hope that was helpful.

dang it Bobby what did we say about working on our reading comprehension skills in class.

to wit: the vet is in their 50s. They did not serve in Vietnam and no one said they did.

# ¿ May 23, 2023 19:55

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Crazyman69 posted:

Tried to PM you but I can't figure out how. Can you send me a slack invite? PM me and I'll send you my email unless you want me to post it here.

Last week was my birthday and I was severely depressed. My fiance left the house while I was down so I took a sheet, wrapped it around my neck and tied it to the door. At the last minute I backed out and was barely able to get the noose from around my neck before passing out. I just feel like life is letting me down and I am letting life down. I just turned 39 and am on depression meds. I tried to contact my psychiatrist but she's booked until the end of july. Is there anyone that I can have a private conversation with? A sounding board?

646-228-5925

i can relate to being severely depressed. I never attempted but I've really really thought about this poo poo at times. I've been in rooms where vets have talked about their attempts (no names ofc).

That sounds a lil hosed up on the psychiatrist end because they are supposed to do callbacks in emergencies. Nevertheless, I got you. Ring me whenever you want. If its monday-thursday I have class from 10am-12:25pm US EST, however I doubt it'll take you that long to contact me.

You ain't letting life down fam. Life is just life. Its a cruel uncaring mother at times but it is what we make of it.

Stanley Kubrick said "The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent, but if we can come to terms with this indifference, then our existence as a species can have genuine meaning. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light."

Its a bit harsh, but there is no lie in it. We gotta supply our own light. That said fighting all your life is loving exhausting and there is no shame in being down.

let a former corpsman get you back on your feet. bang my line fam.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2023 20:26

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Hekk posted:

We have a discord server. Shoot me a PM and I will invite you if you are looking for more real time conversations.

he ain't got PMs hekk, gotta post that link in the clear

# ¿ Jun 10, 2023 20:30

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

whoever is behind this needs to chill out. I have my suspicions of who it is but just incase i got the wrong one, let me address the bullshit today

whoever is so hurt by whatever I did in the past on that discord needs to go talk to their therapist. Get help. You have pushed beyond the pale into harassment and discrimination of an autistic person. It's not cool, it's actually kinda insane.

TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jun 30, 2023

# ¿ Jun 30, 2023 15:55

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Mustang posted:

Jesus, that's pretty insane, I had no idea anyone had any beer with you but I'm not active on the discord.

Separately: I'm pretty happy with where I'm at in life, especially having just earned my masters but I still have some things I'd like to sit down and talk to someone about that isn't a friend or family member. Now that all I have to do is job search, I want to spend this summer making myself the most physically, mentally, and emotionally healthy I've ever been, and I've kind of neglected all of those things while in grad school.

How does someone go about finding a professional therapist/counselor? I know there's veterans programs but none of the things I want to talk about have anything to do with the military.

I've done people really wrong bro. I've been incredibly hosed up to people who have been nothing but good to me in the past over petty bullshit. And then there's the crowd who knows me from eve and had fun pushing my buttons to see me implode/smolder in rage. Regardless lets sort you out.

I relied on school counseling services in the past to find my therapist. If we're talking skipping out on the VA/vet centers which, tbqh, can be a decent idea here are a potential avenues to search for one.

1. simply googling "Therapists/Psychologists near (insert zip here) should get you a bunch of websites.
2. Check out some of the lists here

https://www.zocdoc.com/
https://www.goodtherapy.org/therapists/ny/queens
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/ny/queens-county
https://doctor.webmd.com/
https://mentaltherapy.io/
https://www.findatopdoc.com/

all of the above seem like a start

3. Can you go back to your last institution and talk to their mental health department/social worker? The reason I say that is because, at least at Columbia University, they had a list of people they worked with who were vetted as competent. Vetted doesn't mean perfect fit as I had a psychologist who thought I had oppositional defiance disorder and the way she viewed me/treated me was really heavily based on her training as a behavioralist. Like she saw some things but that was a misdiagnose because no one else has called it. And I had a doctor who specialized in anxiety who thought that was what was driving me.

Do not expect the civilians to be the magic bullet to curing what ails you. Like all docs, it takes work to find the fit. However I found the private care side of things to be more empathetic and understanding on average than the VA or military medicine side of things. idk if it means anything but I'll throw a prayer up for you tomorrow when I go to the synaoguge. Take care of yourself fam.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2023 16:34

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Mustang posted:

Well, found a therapist that I was impressed with from her page and scheduled a free consultation next week, that was easy enough.

Looking forward to it.

lets goooooooooooooooooooo

# ¿ Jun 30, 2023 22:55

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 04:46

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

is this a thing the white house hotline can do anything about? Like I normally would be like call them for when the VA or a government agency is being a poo poo but yeah...idk.

feverish and oversexed posted:

I'm going to want advice on what to do if I'm digging my heels in. I am not removing anything. If you don't have advice to that effort, then I don't want it? (I am looking and have people looking thank you)

specifically looking for a lawyer that wants to dig in with me since I have ample ongoing proof of him having a problem with me that doesn't exist.

edit: to be very clear, I will remove the water station the day I leave or when the police cut it off.

fight them fam but take care of yourself too. smdh what the gently caress

I HAVE WATER OUT, WORST CRIME IN THE WORLD LOL

# ¿ Aug 7, 2023 19:18

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