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Feb 15, 2012

Burt Sexual posted:

Your seem drunk, but what what was this degree, and at what institution?

I don't know the person she's talking about, but I go to a public university in New York state and know a few people who were screwed over when the standards changed about two years ago and suddenly they'd taken classes that no longer count toward their degree or they were almost finished just to discover they had another semester or two worth of classes to take now to complete the requirements. The school refused to grandfather everyone who had started under the old requirements in. I applied to graduate this semester just to discover the math and English classes I'd taken at my old school didn't transfer and they hadn't bothered to tell me. The math class didn't transfer because even though the school offers several classes on statistics, the classes they offer apply to specific fields and mine didn't, so it doesn't count.

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HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/mrschandraowen/status/1123281196765646850

Just in case you don't know, this is the former governor of Michigan who was the interim president of MSU during the Larry Nassar investigation and trial and suggested all of the women who came forward and accused Nassar did it for the fame.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Betsy DeVos brother is a lunatic war criminal mercenary!

Just throwing that out there because apparently some people weren't aware.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
I hate when this thread pops up in my bookmarks.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

Burt Sexual posted:

I hate when this thread pops up in my bookmarks.

Yeah, it's impossible to avoid that "poo poo, what got worse this time?" feeling.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
I’ve dedicated a career to federal student aid, from the outside I guess. poo poo just fucks me up, and my kids enter the system this year.

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


Crakkerjakk posted:

Could any of you recommend a link to where I can read why exactly charter schools are poo poo in great detail, preferably with common pro-charter school counterarguments being debunked?

Had a guy at the most recent town hall with my state rep who was the principal at a "public charter school" and wanted to read up, a lot of what he was saying seemed like bullshit but I'm not well informed about the issue.
the problem with charters is obvious and common sensical. there's no need for studies or statistical analysis of test scores.

1) charters were created to cut costs, to do more with less. charters do less with less. the biggest problem in public education is under-valuing teachers, paying them little, constantly cutting their salaries and benefits, then expecting them to do more. so experienced teachers leave the field and people that otherwise would enter education decide it's not worth the stress. charters pay their teachers less and the quality of teachers reflects this.

2) charters were meant to starve public schools, and they do by siphoning students away.

3) charters are inherently less democratic in their management and oversight.

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


really the problem with public education is obvious to anyone who has ever taught, and the poo poo you hear in the media or from politicians reflects a complete misunderstanding of the problem. it's a deep rooted idea in our society that teaching is easy and anyone can do it. (it's not easy, and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.) it's a conservative culture that has contempt for public education and public educators.

"i wish i had summers off and x-weeks vacation built into my job." how many people have you heard say this bullshit before?

a school's best resource is and always will be a highly qualified, experienced teacher. want good schools? pay teachers a lot more, including and especially special education and ESL teachers. give teachers more prep time. radically revamp teaching programs into paid apprenticeships and invest heavily in training teachers in best practices. magically, without the need for whatever the gently caress program or curricula pearson is hocking, you'll get well educated happy students and happy teachers.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!
In case this part isn't clear to anyone.

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Gio posted:

(and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.)

Holy poo poo mother gently caress yes.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Gio posted:

give teachers more prep time.

quote:

radically revamp teaching programs into paid apprenticeships and invest heavily in training teachers in best practices.

Also these.

Blister
Sep 8, 2000

Hair Elf
It all comes down to investing more into public schools but everyone in a community will demand change then whine and moan when someone suggests tax increases to fund them.

This has led to lots of towns trying to innovate their way out of problems by spending on a rotating clown show of new administrators. They cost double a highly qualified teacher and leave for federal or university jobs once they have enough experience for a resume in four or five years.

Doesn't help charter schools siphoning funding and learning disabled kids then sending the kid back to public schools claiming "woops we don't have the resources" to provide for their special needs. Conveniently keeping the funds

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
part of it is that resources aren't distributed by need

even when a rich people school and a poor people school have equal funding, that's not nearly enough. the poor school needs more funding because the rich school's students have access to far more out-of-school services and support, and the poor school tends to have more kids with special needs

though ultimately, school funding and school quality is a distraction from the real problem, which is that poverty out of school is wrecking kids lives and disrupting their school performance as well

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Gio posted:

really the problem with public education is obvious to anyone who has ever taught, and the poo poo you hear in the media or from politicians reflects a complete misunderstanding of the problem. it's a deep rooted idea in our society that teaching is easy and anyone can do it. (it's not easy, and it has an incredibly steep learning curve to boot.) it's a conservative culture that has contempt for public education and public educators.

"i wish i had summers off and x-weeks vacation built into my job." how many people have you heard say this bullshit before?

a school's best resource is and always will be a highly qualified, experienced teacher. want good schools? pay teachers a lot more, including and especially special education and ESL teachers. give teachers more prep time. radically revamp teaching programs into paid apprenticeships and invest heavily in training teachers in best practices. magically, without the need for whatever the gently caress program or curricula pearson is hocking, you'll get well educated happy students and happy teachers.

i know not-quite an entire handful of teachers who're roughly my age, and they all had passion for it, and they all left to do other things because even in "nice" districts its sideshow bob stepping on rakes at the best of times except instead of getting hit in the face with a rake parents go over your head to bitch to ignorant and overpaid administrators

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/HectorSolon/status/1129170287222767621

always more something something

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1130585254518038530

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

I wonder if we'd jailed hilldog for this if we'd do it for these fucks too.

I feel like probably not, because the Republicans managed to pretend her crime was about national security, not corruption and transparency

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

LOCK HER UP

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1131201799778635779

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Willie Tomg posted:

i know not-quite an entire handful of teachers who're roughly my age, and they all had passion for it, and they all left to do other things because even in "nice" districts its sideshow bob stepping on rakes at the best of times except instead of getting hit in the face with a rake parents go over your head to bitch to ignorant and overpaid administrators

I teach English overseas, which is pretty much a dancing monkey job for college grads. However, I've met several credentialed teachers who left the US for the international school circuit because they can actually afford to live and it turns out some cultures actually treat teachers with respect, so they aren't going back anytime soon!

There was a goon here who used to work in Las Vegas and she busted her rear end getting troubled black students to shape up and getting accepted into college. Apparently, she left to teach in the Middle East because her admin didn't like her helping out "those" kids.

Admins are loving scum.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1137486984316932097

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Betsy DeVos's vetting docs.

https://graphics.axios.com/docs/white-house-vetting-docs/Betsy%20DeVos%20Backgrounder.pdf

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Hmm clean as a whistle, you’re in.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1149275182487539714

quote:

Agency officials credited the administration’s decision to stop routinely opening systemic probes that might turn up patterns of bias. In June 2017, the acting director of the department’s Office for Civil Rights told her staff they no longer had to review three years of cases similar to the complaint that was being investigated — a process that had been used to find systemic bias. The agency said at the time the move would help shrink the backlog and more quickly resolve cases.

In addition, the agency revised the guidebook that civil rights investigators use, known as the case processing manual, and eliminated all references to “systemic” issues.

Advocates say this approach is too narrow and misses the opportunity to identify problems that extend beyond any one person’s experience.

"Child Z's complaint of being bullied has no relationship to B - Y's complaints of being bullied reported at school 123. Case closed!"

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1151117709888892930

I'm sure she will immediately comply with all requests :rolleyes:

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1158445126424911873

nobody could have seen that coming

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/AhtraElnashar/status/1175425559247118337



Betsy posted:

When Cox asked DeVos about her working relationship with President Donald Trump, DeVos described their communication style.

“It’s very short sentences and phrases but I know exactly what he’s saying and vice versa,” DeVos said. “He’s a great boss. He’s very encouraging.”

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
lol the msm has been pushing charters for a decade

Pulcinella
Feb 15, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 21 days!

got any sevens posted:

lol the msm has been pushing charters for a decade

Yeah I just checked. Waiting for Superman was 2010. That movie was trumpeted harder by TED and NPR types than even the conservative wing of the charter school movement.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own
NPR is polite conservatism.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Nice Polite Republicans

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

LOCK HER THE gently caress UP

https://twitter.com/HigherEdNotDebt/status/1181655503086194689

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


https://twitter.com/NCLC4consumers/status/1187419151138217984


poo poo is so clearly out of control and unsustainable even devos appointees are calling for debt cancellation

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

double negative posted:

https://twitter.com/NCLC4consumers/status/1187419151138217984


poo poo is so clearly out of control and unsustainable even devos appointees are calling for debt cancellation

yeah but his deal is $50k cancellation or $50k tax credit if you paid it off plus privatization of student loans, because of course the problem with student debt is the fact that the government is doing it.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

double negative posted:

https://twitter.com/NCLC4consumers/status/1187419151138217984


poo poo is so clearly out of control and unsustainable even devos appointees are calling for debt cancellation

I personally know Dr. A Wayne, though my work at FSA. He’s a class A rear end in a top hat, and grifter to boot. He’s caused complete upheaval in the procurement process to modernize federal student aid systems and their policies. gently caress Wayne is what I’m saying.

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


Burt Sexual posted:

I personally know Dr. A Wayne, though my work at FSA. He’s a class A rear end in a top hat, and grifter to boot. He’s caused complete upheaval in the procurement process to modernize federal student aid systems and their policies. gently caress Wayne is what I’m saying.

i figured that was implicit in being a devos appointee

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

When it looks like a presidential candidate who supports student loan forgiveness has a good shot at winning the white house in 2020, what do you do?

https://twitter.com/PattyMurray/status/1202285185456312320

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

When it looks like a presidential candidate who supports student loan forgiveness has a good shot at winning the white house in 2020, what do you do?

https://twitter.com/PattyMurray/status/1202285185456312320

Wtf so FSA is now a political arm? Only when big doners with no experience are put in charge. gently caress this whole thing. It’s been my life and career to serve students. gently caress

The banker she put in charge resigned and called for all loans to be shifted “somewhere”, seems odd this aligns.
:thunk:

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

the birthday present she deserves

https://twitter.com/BridgeProject21/status/1215011568632680449

quote:

Attorneys for the Corinthian students have argued that the department’s continued violation of the order warrants harsher penalties. Hundreds of people lost wages or tax refunds because of the collection practice, while thousands of others were hit with negative marks on their credit reports. Some people who lost wages told attorneys that their utilities were cut off or they faced eviction.

The Education Department has collected more than $20 million from Corinthian students represented in the class-action case. It has yet to refund all of the money.

As recently as December the Education Department still tried to collect money people did not owe.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005



:shepface:


jfc

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Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

poo poo I was about to throw shade at her cuz I figured she voted to confirm DeVos but it looks like Collins was one of two republican senators who actually voted against her confirmation.

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