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DEUCE SLUICE posted:clear plastic over the air inlet of the vpn appliances no, you organize your fellow workers in bangalore and raise their standards of living, too
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no, you organize your fellow workers in bangalore and raise their standards of living, too lol
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Jan 20, 2017 04:41
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:solidarity, motherfucker, do you speak it? I mean I'm all for workers of the world uniting but it's a genuine question. I'm guessing cutting the cables would be how you initiate the strike in this case
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Rex-Goliath posted:I mean I'm all for workers of the world uniting but it's a genuine question. I'm guessing cutting the cables would be how you initiate the strike in this case flipping a power switch would be enough to deter even the most committed middle manager.
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Jan 20, 2017 08:02
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oh look, we're already discussing how to bring work to a halt. I wonder why unions have a bad reputation.
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Jan 20, 2017 12:53
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Work stoppage is the prime weapon of a union.
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Jan 20, 2017 12:57
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The Management posted:oh look, we're already discussing how to bring work to a halt. I wonder why unions have a bad reputation. i'm squinting my eyes @ this post not sure if joking or not
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Rex-Goliath posted:i'm squinting my eyes @ this post not sure if joking or not its from the management  bring back your donald av
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Jan 20, 2017 16:25
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mishaq posted:its from the management the trumpatar was a gift from my biggest fan. I thought it lent a voice to my posts that was not in line with my core message. The Management fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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The Management posted:oh look, we're already discussing how to bring work to a halt. I wonder why unions have a bad reputation. eat poo poo, scab
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After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a cork-screw soul, a water-logged brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles. When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of Hell to keep him out. No man has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not. Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation. Esau was a traitor to himself: Judas Iscariot was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a strikebreaker is a traitor to his God, his country, his wife, his family and his class.
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Jan 20, 2017 17:23
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:eat poo poo, scab
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Jan 20, 2017 21:19
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there are unions for grocery stores here in CA. why can't IT unionize?
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Jan 20, 2017 22:40
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lampey posted:there are unions for grocery stores here in CA. why can't IT unionize? because grocery stores employ low skill, low wage, largely replaceable employees with nothing but the power of collective bargaining to give them any leverage. IT workers are (relatively) highly skilled, highly paid, possessing domain and corporate knowledge that makes them difficult to replace. they also generally receive a decent benefits package and have a robust and competitive employment market. the reasons that make it reasonable to unionize grocery stores do not apply to computer touchers.
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Jan 20, 2017 23:27
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The Management posted:because grocery stores employ low skill, low wage, largely replaceable employees with nothing but the power of collective bargaining to give them any leverage. lmao
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the biggest obstacle to socialism in america: the workers
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The Management posted:because grocery stores employ low skill, low wage, largely replaceable employees with nothing but the power of collective bargaining to give them any leverage. you would think the high skill would make IT amenable to craft unions (as opposed to industrial unions)
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The Management posted:because grocery stores employ low skill, low wage, largely replaceable employees with nothing but the power of collective bargaining to give them any leverage. movie actors and baseball players are highly skilled and highly paid and are in a union, hth
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Jan 21, 2017 03:17
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i think yosposter The Management was makin a joke y'all
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Jan 21, 2017 03:21
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itt the management makes worse posts than shaggar
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Jan 21, 2017 04:18
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I'm taking a big poo poo.
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Jan 21, 2017 17:35
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Citizen Tayne posted:I'm taking a big poo poo. 
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jony ive aces posted:itt the management makes worse posts than shaggar
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I'll never be as cool as shaggar
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:movie actors and baseball players are highly skilled and highly paid and are in a union, hth movie actors are unionized because the entire industry is unionized. stagehands and lighting designers and screenwriters won't work on a non-union production. baseball players are unionized because they work in an industry dominated by a monopsony. there is effectively only one employer: the MLB and its cronies. even with the union, the bottom-end major league players make 1/100th what the top-end players do. meanwhile, in the un-unionized minor leagues: "lawsuits posted:The lawsuit portrays minor league players as members of the working poor, and that’s backed up by data. Most earn between $3,000 and $7,500 for a five-month season. As a point of comparison, fast food workers typically earn between $15,000 and $18,000 a year, or about two or three times what minor league players make.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
lol no. The MLB doesn't employ a single baseball player. The MLBPA was formed to fight for the removal of the Reserve Clause from player contracts. Prior to that happening, free agency did not exist and players essentially became the property of the team that they first signed with. The minor league teams are all staffed with players who are employees of major league teams.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:28
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Citizen Tayne posted:lol no. The MLB doesn't employ a single baseball player. all of the teams are franchises of the MLB. as you pointed out, they didn't even "compete" internally for talent until the union forced them to do so i am not sure there has ever been a better real-world example of monopsony than professional sports leagues in the u.s.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:32
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Citizen Tayne posted:lol no. The MLB doesn't employ a single baseball player.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all of the teams are franchises of the MLB. as you pointed out, they didn't even "compete" internally for talent until the union forced them to do so Maybe, but saying that the players are employees of "MLB" is factually incorrect. Each of the teams is a separate business organization. Hell, the real name of the Pirates is "Pittsburgh National League Base Ball Club."
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what the gently caress do you think the reserve clause conflict was over if not monopsony conditions in the market? lol
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Citizen Tayne posted:Maybe, but saying that the players are employees of "MLB" is factually incorrect. Each of the teams is a separate business organization. sure, and guys who work for "Covelli Enterprises" are not employees of The McDonalds Corporation. but they still work at mcdonalds. just as every mcDonalds is a frinchise of The McDonalds Corporation, each team is a franchise of the MLB. the MLB literally negotiates the labor contracts with the players association.
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It was about collusion, not a monopsony. Calling baseball a monopsony is factually incorrect.
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Citizen Tayne posted:It was about collusion, not a monopsony. Calling baseball a monopsony is factually incorrect. the only buyer is the MLB, regardless of the internal corporate structures. teams are creatures of the league, with no independent existence.
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No. There are 30 separate buyers, which compete with each other for labor. You are wrong and you don't know what you're talking about.
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if the mlb is not a monopsony, why does the mlb negotiate union contracts instead of the hypothetically independent teams? why did the union have to force the mlb to permit franchises to bid over each other?
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Single point of negotiation is easier? I don't know. I'm not involved with that. I'm just pointing out that you are wrong and don't know what you're talking about with regard to the baseball labor market.
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wtf is a monopsony
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the "market," such as it is, is itself a creature of the negotiations between the union and the single buyer, the MLB if the MLB wished to end all competition for players once and for all, they could lock out the players and begin again without the union.
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bump_fn posted:wtf is a monopsony A market with a single buyer, which is emphatically not what baseball is.
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