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Rex-Goliath posted:wouldn't it be really difficult to fight scabs should push come to shove? with an actual physical factory you can form a picket line but how do you do that when they can just have workers tunnel in from bangalore? solidarity, motherfucker, do you speak it?
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Maximo Roboto posted:wtf do you work for REI or Mondragon the biggest employee-owned firms aren't the weird hippy things that immediately come to mind
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Jan 20, 2017 04:35
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:clear plastic over the air inlet of the vpn appliances no, you organize your fellow workers in bangalore and raise their standards of living, too
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Jan 20, 2017 04:37
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The Management posted:because grocery stores employ low skill, low wage, largely replaceable employees with nothing but the power of collective bargaining to give them any leverage. you would think the high skill would make IT amenable to craft unions (as opposed to industrial unions)
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Jan 21, 2017 02:59
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:movie actors and baseball players are highly skilled and highly paid and are in a union, hth movie actors are unionized because the entire industry is unionized. stagehands and lighting designers and screenwriters won't work on a non-union production. baseball players are unionized because they work in an industry dominated by a monopsony. there is effectively only one employer: the MLB and its cronies. even with the union, the bottom-end major league players make 1/100th what the top-end players do. meanwhile, in the un-unionized minor leagues: "lawsuits posted:The lawsuit portrays minor league players as members of the working poor, and that’s backed up by data. Most earn between $3,000 and $7,500 for a five-month season. As a point of comparison, fast food workers typically earn between $15,000 and $18,000 a year, or about two or three times what minor league players make.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:23
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Citizen Tayne posted:lol no. The MLB doesn't employ a single baseball player. all of the teams are franchises of the MLB. as you pointed out, they didn't even "compete" internally for talent until the union forced them to do so i am not sure there has ever been a better real-world example of monopsony than professional sports leagues in the u.s.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:32
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what the gently caress do you think the reserve clause conflict was over if not monopsony conditions in the market? lol
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Jan 23, 2017 00:38
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Citizen Tayne posted:Maybe, but saying that the players are employees of "MLB" is factually incorrect. Each of the teams is a separate business organization. sure, and guys who work for "Covelli Enterprises" are not employees of The McDonalds Corporation. but they still work at mcdonalds. just as every mcDonalds is a frinchise of The McDonalds Corporation, each team is a franchise of the MLB. the MLB literally negotiates the labor contracts with the players association.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:41
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Citizen Tayne posted:It was about collusion, not a monopsony. Calling baseball a monopsony is factually incorrect. the only buyer is the MLB, regardless of the internal corporate structures. teams are creatures of the league, with no independent existence.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:45
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if the mlb is not a monopsony, why does the mlb negotiate union contracts instead of the hypothetically independent teams? why did the union have to force the mlb to permit franchises to bid over each other?
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Jan 23, 2017 00:46
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the "market," such as it is, is itself a creature of the negotiations between the union and the single buyer, the MLB if the MLB wished to end all competition for players once and for all, they could lock out the players and begin again without the union.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:49
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bump_fn posted:wtf is a monopsony a monopoly is a market with a single seller a monopsony is a market with a single buyer if an employer has total control over a particular labor market, they are a monopsony, because they buy labor rather than sell it.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:50
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Citizen Tayne posted:You are wrong. The MLB does not employ a single baseball player. the MLB does not sign any paychecks, it's true. nevertheless, all professional baseball players in the united states are employed by MLB franchises, and MLB performs all labor negotiations on the behalf of their franchisees. they literally have an anti-trust exemption written into law for this poo poo dude.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:52
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bump_fn posted:i dont believe thats a real word it's not really a situation that comes up very often unless you study either labor economics or colonialism
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Jan 23, 2017 00:52
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big scary monsters posted:so are unions good or bad now?? unions are mostly good but the pittsburg pee rat doesn't seem to understand how and why unions are formed
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Jan 23, 2017 00:53
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today i learned yospos is afraid of words you have to look up in a dictionary
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Jan 23, 2017 02:28
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Citizen Tayne posted:No, the loving MLB doesn't negotiate contracts. They negotiate the CBA. The individual teams negotiate contracts. the cba determines the terms of all contracts, just like the franchise agreement determines in extraordinary detail how the franchisees will behave it's also worth noting the cba is, itself, a contract a master contract, negotiated by a union and the mlb, determines the possible terms in all individual contracts
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Jan 23, 2017 02:29
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bump_fn posted:i saw it in dictionaries and I'm still not convinced it's a word you have a good ear for backformations as with a lot of greek-sounding academic terms it is a modern invention. someone took the (actual greek word) monopoly and created monopsony after the same pattern, in order to describe an analogous situation for a buyer instead of a seller
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Jan 23, 2017 02:33
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Citizen Tayne posted:Holy poo poo, look at those goalposts fly. i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant. the important difference is that the mlb is a monopsony, so the artificial "competition" between franchises, enforced by a union contract, creates real benefits for the employees. it's a sham, but it's a valuable sham.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:35
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lol you think tori is arguing in good faith benefit of the doubt
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Jan 23, 2017 02:44
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baseball is kinda boring on tv which is why there are so many haters in person it's reasonable fun at a reasonable price. i'm not gonna knock baseball fans
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Jan 25, 2017 07:07
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Bloody posted:even at a game it's in the background. the main purpose of baseball is to hang out on a beautiful day in the summer and drink a few beers maybe this is why i enjoy going to games i barely know what's going on but it's occasionally thrilling and it's always nice to sit in the shade drinking a beer with thousands of people cheering
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good thing we have stymie, the house luddite, to keep us on our toes otherwise we might go to work and get paid and be happy
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