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Alzabo posted:As someone who grew up in a union household, I can say my parents have a lot of trouble wrapping their mind around stuff like unstable employment and 401(k) instead of defined benefit pension. Does your mom have big tits?
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funny Star Wars parody posted:after 4 to 8 years of Republican rulership we will be in Victorianesque working conditions with all form of collective bargaining and workers rights completely eliminated You joke but 2000-2008 and the resulting 2010 governors races brought about the current neovictorian atmosphere, and people cheered for it as it was enacted.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no, you organize your fellow workers in bangalore and raise their standards of living, too lol
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I'm taking a big poo poo.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
lol no. The MLB doesn't employ a single baseball player. The MLBPA was formed to fight for the removal of the Reserve Clause from player contracts. Prior to that happening, free agency did not exist and players essentially became the property of the team that they first signed with. The minor league teams are all staffed with players who are employees of major league teams.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:28
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all of the teams are franchises of the MLB. as you pointed out, they didn't even "compete" internally for talent until the union forced them to do so Maybe, but saying that the players are employees of "MLB" is factually incorrect. Each of the teams is a separate business organization. Hell, the real name of the Pirates is "Pittsburgh National League Base Ball Club."
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Jan 23, 2017 00:37
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It was about collusion, not a monopsony. Calling baseball a monopsony is factually incorrect.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:42
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No. There are 30 separate buyers, which compete with each other for labor. You are wrong and you don't know what you're talking about.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:46
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Single point of negotiation is easier? I don't know. I'm not involved with that. I'm just pointing out that you are wrong and don't know what you're talking about with regard to the baseball labor market.
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bump_fn posted:wtf is a monopsony A market with a single buyer, which is emphatically not what baseball is.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:50
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the "market," such as it is, is itself a creature of the negotiations between the union and the single buyer, the MLB You are wrong. The MLB does not employ a single baseball player. It's okay to admit you're wrong when you're called on it. Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about and move on.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:51
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the MLB does not sign any paychecks, it's true. nevertheless, all professional baseball players in the united states are employed by MLB franchises, and MLB performs all labor negotiations on the behalf of their franchisees. No, the loving MLB doesn't negotiate contracts. They negotiate the CBA. The individual teams negotiate contracts. http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/clayton-kershaw-5273/ You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:53
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:unions are mostly good but the pittsburg pee rat doesn't seem to understand how and why unions are formed You're really mad about being wrong.
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Jan 23, 2017 00:54
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the cba determines the terms of all contracts, just like the franchise agreement determines in extraordinary detail how the franchisees will behave Holy poo poo, look at those goalposts fly. You are wrong.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:31
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant. You do not seem to understand that the Pirates and the Mets are completely different companies that are not associated in any way beyond membership in the MLB. The MLB does not employ a single baseball player.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lol you think tori is arguing in good faith He's completely wrong and he can't admit it.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:45
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant. I'm quoting this again because it's incredible how wrong it is. Pontiac and Chevrolet are trademarks owned by one corporation. The Mets and the Pirates are entirely separate companies. You are, and continue to be, wrong.
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"all mlb teams are one corporation adurr durrrrr" - Guy who lives in a world where pitchers are getting $250M+ contracts due to competition that he claims doesn't exist.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:48
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mishaq posted:nbsd's 'tism is quite strong It's the most internet thing possible in that he made a simple mistake when talking about something he doesn't know anything about ("MLB is a monopsony"), and instead of saying "oh, okay, thanks for the correction" he argues for two hours about it because he's terrified of ever being seen to be wrong about anything.
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A Pinball Wizard posted:lol @ tori getting owned by nbsd of all people Being dumb and wrong isn't owning anyone.
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jony ive aces posted:on the contrary, i read every one of your posts itt and now i feel well and truly owned Yeah, dumb and wrong people feel intimidated by knowledgeable people. Sorry about your life.
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Jan 23, 2017 12:42
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lol at the Dumb and Wrong Advocacy Corps
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Jan 23, 2017 13:06
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Yeah... IF YOU SUCK!
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Jan 23, 2017 23:18
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Sniep posted:DH's are an abomination to the sport and take away from the real true form of baseball and invalidate all of it Ban the AL.
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Jan 24, 2017 14:42
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"Baseball sucks! Waaah" - a baby with a thirty second attention span
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Jan 24, 2017 15:32
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Suspicious posted:maybe if it didn't take so drat long between pitches baseball would be more entertaining? good for highlights but lol if you watch a game from start to finish Why? Between pitches is when most of the action happens.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:09
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Y'all are trying to watch it like you watch football. Baseball is a more subtle, nuanced, grown-up sport.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:09
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Less shameful than comics and science fiction chat.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:32
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I bring my sports with me wherever I go.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:36
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i barely know what's going on this is why no one here likes baseball it isn't football. quit expecting football. football is custom-tailored for short attention spans and people who don't know the rules you've got people in this thread asking for between pitch time to be cut down when that's when most of the action happens for fucks sake
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Jan 25, 2017 14:36
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mishaq posted:nothing better than gathering in a stadium to sit in uncomfortable chairs and drink $12 beers on a nice summer day 
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Jan 25, 2017 15:37
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uh, then do that instead of doing something you don't like? No one is forcing you to like baseball, you loving goon
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Bloody posted:actually football is completely unwatchable without knowing the intricacies of the rules. its the most rules lawyering sport and absolutely nothing about the game is intuitive. Football is very easy to follow if you don't know the rules, because the field is one big progress bar
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mishaq posted:i found a pic of stymie's car To be honest, he's right.
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