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rudatron posted:unironically speaking though Khrushchev was the only good premier Gorbachev at least tried. you can't say that for Brezhnev. Khrushchev was OK but in retrospect staking his premiership on a massive effort to grow wheat on the steppe was a real fuckin' bado idea
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yeltsin would have been fun to drink with imo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw If Gorbachev had shown up at the Moscow Pizza Hut there wouldn't be any debate, they would've just lynched him.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw pizza blyat
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Baudolino posted:
in all srs though his son was somewhere between complete drunken moron who is drunk literally 100% of the time and uday hussein if he becomes leader he either gets couped or the ussr falls in like 1960
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Khruschev set the stage for the USSR to turn into a gerontocracy. 
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Typo posted:in all srs though his son was somewhere between complete drunken moron who is drunk literally 100% of the time and uday hussein if he becomes leader he either gets couped or the ussr falls in like 1960 Yeltsin is a mess Gorbachev is a waste Both are big fat mistakes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yB1L3YUjdaM
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ah yeah here we go  
enraged_camel posted:Between your bizarre belief that a probation is not a punishment, your weird insistence that it is better and more effective to talk to would-be terrorists in private to tell them to post their terrorist stuff elsewhere, and douchey posts like the one I quoted above, it's frankly unbelievable that you are a moderator. Yossarian-22 posted:Squizzle did a racism. He did an imperialism. He did a nationalism. He did a xenophobia. He did a white fragility. He did no growth. This makes it abundantly clear Squizzle does not understand the intersectional nature of the multiplicity of his offenses
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Khruschev set the stage for the USSR to turn into a gerontocracy. I think you'll find that he created an "ev"ocracy Seriously I can't be the only one weirded out by Slavic last names
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Baloogan posted:people get a load of this guy thinking reactionaries are people
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He died. He shouldn't have done that, big mistake low energy
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stalin had lovely taste in food, and also in music
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failed to liquidate all of the kulaks
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Dreddout posted:I think you'll find that he created an "ev"ocracy counterpoint: Andropov also konstantin chernenko but he was bedridden and more senile then late-presidency Reagan for the 13 months he was premier Pener Kropoopkin posted:Khruschev set the stage for the USSR to turn into a gerontocracy. that was Brezhnev, or more accurately the people who picked Breznhev, him and the subsequent 2 successors were consensus picks chosen by an increasingly conservative bureaucracy whose complacency was enabled by high price of oil in the 1970s. Khruschev was forced out and spent his retirement in his dacha under constant kgb surveillance
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He did a poo.
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Friendly Humour posted:He did a poo. hosed up if true
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wounded in combat: 3,561 killed in combat: 1,258 purges: 452,145 captured/mia: 2,581 someone who is good at marxism-leninism please help me budget this. my revolution is dying
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Fallen Hamprince posted:wounded in combat: 3,561
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Fallen Hamprince posted:wounded in combat: 3,561 Trotsky: "Stop funding purges"
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Dreddout posted:Trotsky: "Stop funding purges" no
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purged. purged. none of you are free from revisionism
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stalin wasn't "shocked" or "unprepared" for the nazi attack, the soviets were begging england, france, and poland to unite in an anti-nazi two front war for six years and were prepared to dedicate massive resources to do so, but were shot down by the western representatives. the molotov-ribbentrop non-aggression pact was simply a way to buy time and short-term security while they figured out how to deal with the looming threat without the help of the rest of europe. it was definitely a lot more practical and aware than the munich agreement, which the soviets weren't party to and viewed as the western powers selling out a country to the nazis & put into perspective how much they could count on them. soviet actions in finland, the baltic states, and poland make sense as defensive measures against germany. just another way in which stalin did nothing wrong
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quote:Mentally count up all the nazis, sexists, war criminals, think tankers, entrepreneurs, etc. and you'll be astonished at Stalin's restraint.
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1mpper posted:stalin wasn't "shocked" or "unprepared" for the nazi attack, the soviets were begging england, france, and poland to unite in an anti-nazi two front war for six years and were prepared to dedicate massive resources to do so, but were shot down by the western representatives. the molotov-ribbentrop non-aggression pact was simply a way to buy time and short-term security while they figured out how to deal with the looming threat without the help of the rest of europe. it was definitely a lot more practical and aware than the munich agreement, which the soviets weren't party to and viewed as the western powers selling out a country to the nazis & put into perspective how much they could count on them. soviet actions in finland, the baltic states, and poland make sense as defensive measures against germany. which is why the Soviet Union took literally a million casualties in the first couple of weeks after Operation Barbarossa started, because they weren't shocked or unprepared yeah okay 
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:which is why the Soviet Union took literally a million casualties in the first couple of weeks after Operation Barbarossa started, because they weren't shocked or unprepared Stalin didn't think the Red Army would be prepared to fight the Nazis for another couple years in 1940.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Stalin didn't think the Red Army would be prepared to fight the Nazis for another couple years in 1940. your sayin he wasbt garbage, he just inhwrited a garbage red army and/or nation?? interesting
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:which is why the Soviet Union took literally a million casualties in the first couple of weeks after Operation Barbarossa started, because they weren't shocked or unprepared
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rudatron posted:Neither Stalin nor anyone else expected France to fall as fast as it did. Considering how ww1 went, the assumption was that Russia would have more time. spunds like something he got wrong for sure then heck of a deadly boner to pull!!!!!
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Homeless Friend posted:He never posted in C-SPAM
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stalin also failed to collect the final chaos emerald which trump succeeded in
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:which is why the Soviet Union took literally a million casualties in the first couple of weeks after Operation Barbarossa started, because they weren't shocked or unprepared man, anti-soviets want it both ways: either stalin is bad because he focused on rapid industrialization and militarization to the detriment of other productive/agricultural development; or he's bad because he didn't industrialize or militarize enough to prevent mass causalities in ww2. imo he cut as best of a compromise as he could knowing what he did while making tougher decisions than almost anyone else in history. with four million nazi soldiers bearing down on you, i'm not sure what amount of "preparation" that he wasn't already doing would do to avoid a lot of people dying.
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Stalin was s pretty poo poo leader and a big reason for the current fear of left wing politics imo.
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1mpper posted:man, anti-soviets want it both ways: either stalin is bad because he focused on rapid industrialization and militarization to the detriment of other productive/agricultural development; or he's bad because he didn't industrialize or militarize enough to prevent mass causalities in ww2. imo he cut as best of a compromise as he could knowing what he did while making tougher decisions than almost anyone else in history. with four million nazi soldiers bearing down on you, i'm not sure what amount of "preparation" that he wasn't already doing would do to avoid a lot of people dying. i know this is literally puppetmadfdr defense but idgaf about stalin bwing right or wrong in what is a complex tapestry of hiatory i just think internet tankies are some of the most cinsistently funny people on the cspam if its any value to you i do enjoy both the laffs generated fromweird emotional investment in stalins reputation on the one hand, and the informarive lil explorations of his era and political/geopolitical context
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i do care about him being a reborn creature of metal and devilforce tho, totally coppin to that
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1mpper posted:man, anti-soviets want it both ways: either stalin is bad because he focused on rapid industrialization and militarization to the detriment of other productive/agricultural development; or he's bad because he didn't industrialize or militarize enough to prevent mass causalities in ww2. imo he cut as best of a compromise as he could knowing what he did while making tougher decisions than almost anyone else in history. with four million nazi soldiers bearing down on you, i'm not sure what amount of "preparation" that he wasn't already doing would do to avoid a lot of people dying. maybe he should of tried not killing 90% of the officer corps for no reason, but mental illness is tough and i guess you do what u have 2 to cope
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Also Stalin can gasp have performed acceptably against the Nazi behemoth and still have been terrible.
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stalin totally saw operation barbarossa coming, which is why he sold millions of barrels of oil to the nazis and waited until literally 2 hours before the germans crossed the border with the largest army ever assembled to let his army know that something might be up
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