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Namtab posted:I hope the guy who pushed him into the train got what he deserved A promotion?
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A job with a respectable employer?
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Jan 21, 2017 14:08
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MonsterEnvy posted:I should note that Tanya's problems here are just because she refuses to play ball and keeps bad mouthing God rather then get the message. To be fair as presented we, and Tanya, have no idea if this is really the same "God" of the Old/New testament or a simply sufficiently powerful entity that is claiming it is god. There's a moral argument to be said that the "right" thing to do is to resist in the case that this god is a faker.
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Jan 21, 2017 16:16
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All being X has done is display its power over time and space to give Tanya a hard time and try to get her attention. It doesn't seem to give two shits about all the people suffering or dying in the war, and, in fact, created Tanya with enormous powers to kill people and forced her into a position to use it constantly. If it is a god, it's not one worthy of praise.
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Jan 21, 2017 16:54
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Nitrousoxide posted:If it is a god, it's not one worthy of praise. This is Tanya's argument at the start of the series. A god demonstrating its power by freezing time, showing up in your dreams, augmenting you with incredible power and reincarnating you into a completely different world is fearsome and enough to cause the vast majority of people to immediately accept that its God. But Tanya is saying that it cannot be God, because he wouldn't be letting any of these things happen. It is not a being worthy of praise. That being said, being x probably resents his "job" and would be happy if people at least recognized his work. He probably envies Tanya in some ways, who even though loving hates her job, still has the work ethic to follow through it and is recognized and rewarded for it.
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Jan 21, 2017 17:05
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Yeah what I'm liking so far is what seems like a very subtle sense that it's actually frustrating "X" that Tanya manages to keep upsetting his plan to get her to submit. Potentially a show of "Evil vs Evil" done right.
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Jan 21, 2017 18:02
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Namtab posted:I hope the guy who pushed him into the train got what he deserved Dies in an unrelated accident and is reincarnated into the show's rival character?
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Jan 21, 2017 18:48
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Whatever happens to him, I hope his daughter's tuition gets taken care of.
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Jan 21, 2017 19:17
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Speaking about Being X, this little side animation is a rather amusing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJkRmV974oc I also agree with Tanya that Being X is not a being worthy of praise.
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Jan 21, 2017 19:20
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Sam Faust posted:Dies in an unrelated accident and is reincarnated into the show's rival character? Gonna be a disappointing rival. Can't show up on time and fails to produce satisfactory work despite repeated interventions.
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Jan 21, 2017 19:28
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Gyges posted:Gonna be a disappointing rival. Can't show up on time and fails to produce satisfactory work despite repeated interventions. But he would have faith in
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Jan 21, 2017 20:09
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That is basically that other character isn't it?
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Jan 21, 2017 20:20
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I'm actually liking that Tanyas actions are leading to everyone around her praising God. Being X wants her to believe, but he's also using her to spread faith.
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Jan 22, 2017 03:21
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Namtab posted:I'm actually liking that Tanyas actions are leading to everyone around her praising God. Magnificent bastard I read his book in bible study!
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Jan 22, 2017 04:03
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Cao Ni Ma posted:This is Tanya's argument at the start of the series. A god demonstrating its power by freezing time, showing up in your dreams, augmenting you with incredible power and reincarnating you into a completely different world is fearsome and enough to cause the vast majority of people to immediately accept that its God. But Tanya is saying that it cannot be God, because he wouldn't be letting any of these things happen. It is not a being worthy of praise. Eh, it seemed to me salaryman was going more for "God must operate in a manner that accords with my over-adapted bureaucratic mindset in order to exist at all," rather than "God must bring about good results for me in order to be worthy of praise" (which I think is also a bad argument). A dickish god is still a god.
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Jan 22, 2017 08:04
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Paracelsus posted:Eh, it seemed to me salaryman was going more for "God must operate in a manner that accords with my over-adapted bureaucratic mindset in order to exist at all," rather than "God must bring about good results for me in order to be worthy of praise" (which I think is also a bad argument). It's difficult to judge, for example, even the most thorough arguments regarding God's existence by rationalists like Descartes usually presupposed to define god as "ultimate good"; and maybe by their definition and arguments you could probably make a compelling case that maybe it's not god speaking to Tanya; but the Old Testament god did do lovely things, i.e Job; and many non-rationalist Christians usually default to "God works in mysterious ways". I wish my Catholic theologian* friend was around/easier to get a hold of, he could explain very thoroughly the actual theological arguments to justify/dispute the depicted being as god. *His double major was in both philosophy and theology and was aiming last I checked to enroll at the University of Notre Dame. So if ANYONE could shed some light in terms of official doctrine it's him.
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Paracelsus posted:Eh, it seemed to me salaryman was going more for "God must operate in a manner that accords with my over-adapted bureaucratic mindset in order to exist at all," rather than "God must bring about good results for me in order to be worthy of praise" (which I think is also a bad argument). While Tanya is presented as a sociopath, Being X seems like an entity not worthy of blind worship. With unlimited powers of creation why make a salaryman who rejects you in the first place? And why get upset about it? The salaryman recognizes Being X as a god-Iike being, but not the capital "G" God that people are praising. Being X clearly states that it has difficulty dealing with the billions of people living and dying on the original Earth alone, implying that isn't truly omnipotent. The show definitely poses some interesting questions, I hope it doesn't bungle it and become ridiculous.
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Jan 22, 2017 12:13
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Paracelsus posted:Eh, it seemed to me salaryman was going more for "God must operate in a manner that accords with my over-adapted bureaucratic mindset in order to exist at all," rather than "God must bring about good results for me in order to be worthy of praise" (which I think is also a bad argument). Salaryman's argument was more that we don't need gods anymore since we have science and technology to improve our lives without having to rely on the whims of some powerful being. As such he refused to acknowledge being X as anything other than an unusually powerful entity. Honestly the show feels a lot like a Star Trek: TOS arc in this respect. Goodness, righteousness, etc have never factored into being X's demands to be worshipped
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RasperFat posted:While Tanya is presented as a sociopath, Being X seems like an entity not worthy of blind worship. With unlimited powers of creation why make a salaryman who rejects you in the first place? 1) We assume this was tried already, given the concept of angels, and a world with just angels kinda sucked, so thus humans were created. RasperFat posted:And why get upset about it? 2) Wouldn't a parent be upset at their misbehaving child?
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Jan 22, 2017 18:31
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You're assuming a lot of motives that have not been demonstrated by Being X, and which are directly contradicted by it's behavior.
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Jan 22, 2017 18:34
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Being x wants people to believe, is pissed off with modern trends towards atheism, and has turned an unbeliever into an instrument to spread faith in another universe. That's all we know
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AnacondaHL posted:1) We assume this was tried already, given the concept of angels, and a world with just angels kinda sucked, so thus humans were created. 1) This is a massive assumption. So a world with just Angels was boring so Being X created humans filled with strife and sorrow? This seems ridiculous. 2) Creator! =/= Parent. A parent has the confines of human powers, perception, and mortality. I would expect a parent to be annoyed at a petulant child. I expect a lot more out of an eternal being with supernatural powers. Directly interfering with the scientist to have him remove the safety from the prototype, and then requiring a prayer to use the jewel, are not the actions of a all loving and powerful being. Removing free will, and introducing a supernaturally powerful weapon into a world already at war, seem far more petty than a single man rejecting faith. It directly leads to people being killed in combat, but I guess it's cool that the "parent upset at a misbehaving child" is willing to sacrifice multiple lives to teach a lesson to their child.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:57
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Namtab posted:Being x wants people to believe, is pissed off with modern trends towards atheism, and has turned an unbeliever into an instrument to spread faith in another universe. That's all we know We also know that reincarnation towards Nirvana is the true belief, but that Being X gets testy when spirits don't simply accept their fate. Also Being X is a bit of a sore loser.
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Namtab posted:Being x wants people to believe, is pissed off with modern trends towards atheism, and has turned an unbeliever into an instrument to spread faith in another universe. That's all we know OP updated.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:58
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I'm a big fan of this game of oneupsmanship between god and a little girl
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Jan 23, 2017 03:35
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Ep 1 - Is this supposed to be a satire comparing corporate capitalism to WWII fascism, or is that just a happy accident? Cause, wow, "modern Japanese culture can teach you how to be a fantaaaaaaastic nazi  " is a loving hilarious thing to brag about if that's meant to be unironic.
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Jan 23, 2017 05:00
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i don't think they're nazis op
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XboxPants posted:Ep 1 - How so? There really isn't anything to do with the ideology of Nazism in this show. The MC embodies certain virtues that iirc may be related to Prussian values but the show is a clear WWI-esque context. Nazism is really big on racial purity and the "internationalist cosmopolitan conspiracy" and seeking some Mythical past to have the modern society embody by shaking off the rot of modern degeneracy. By extension Fascism is about supplanting traditional morality with a new morality, of having the State be the vanguard against Socialism and having an Enemy to fight that is simultaneously weak, corrupt, and degenerate "One swift kick" and overpowering and omnipresent constantly working to undermine the moral traditionalist conservative State. MC really couldn't care about any of these things; MC only cares about following the rules with ruthless efficiency to climb the promotion ladder of whatever in group system she is a part of and can succeed mainly because of the personality traits and stereotypes of the Japanese salaryman she embodies to a fault. There is overlap in the sense that Tanya would probably fit very well in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front (even when trying desperately to get reassigned to Norway) but arguably Tanya would also fit extremely well in the Soviet Red Army as well; as long as there is a hierarchical meritocracy that values obedience and competency. Sgt. Reznov from Call of Duty: World At War comes to mind for comparable Soviet version of Tanya in terms of bombast.
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I do like that firing a guy who obviously sucks and is at least a little psychotic is what is used to illustrate what a horrible person nameless salaryman was prior to getting in a pissing match with Being X and getting sent to World War 1 Not-Germany.
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RasperFat posted:1) This is a massive assumption. So a world with just Angels was boring so Being X created humans filled with strife and sorrow? This seems ridiculous. Hey, don't ask me, it's the basis of Christian theology.
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AnacondaHL posted:Hey, don't ask me, it's the basis of Christian theology. As reincarnation occurs, Christianity is demonstrably not the theology in use.
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LibrarianCroaker posted:As reincarnation occurs, Christianity is demonstrably not the theology in use. Uh....Jesus? edit: I guess there's a distinction between reincarnation and resurrection, so I'll give you that. AnacondaHL fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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Also, that was my line of thought taken based on the phrase "unlimited powers of creation". You can put a Shinto spin on this too by taking that phrase out: gods liked to bump nasties, eventually Japan and humans were created. But, I'd argue this show wants to represent the Christianity version of "Creator", just mixed with a Buddhist reincarnation model. I mean... 
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Gyges posted:I do like that firing a guy who obviously sucks and is at least a little psychotic is what is used to illustrate what a horrible person nameless salaryman was prior to getting in a pissing match with Being X and getting sent to World War 1 Not-Germany. It makes me root for the psychotic little girl, but I worry about where the show will go. I hope she wins, but
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I'm sort of rooting for mutual humiliation. 
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More being x facts: the show makes reference to several religions. No character actually identifies a specific religion, although there is the most reference to Christianity.
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Raenir Salazar posted:There is overlap in the sense that Tanya would probably fit very well in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front (even when trying desperately to get reassigned to Norway) but arguably Tanya would also fit extremely well in the Soviet Red Army as well; as long as there is a hierarchical meritocracy that values obedience and competency. Yeah, that's what I'm referring to. Calling it "fascism" may be a bit of a stretch, I admit. fake edit: Gyges posted:I do like that firing a guy who obviously sucks and is at least a little psychotic is what is used to illustrate what a horrible person nameless salaryman was prior to getting in a pissing match with Being X and getting sent to World War 1 Not-Germany.  I wanted to mention how they portrayed the meritocratic system in modern Japan as unjust, as well, but when I wrote it all out it was really hard to make that guy sound particularly sympathetic 
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The book has a lot of detail about Tanyas beliefs which I'm going to quote later because we've already seen the salesman scene now. Also being x is an "old man commonly seen in generic novels" in the book, indicating closer ties to abrahamatic religion than the show.
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Namtab posted:The book has a lot of detail about Tanyas beliefs which I'm going to quote later because we've already seen the salesman scene now. Nice. I like content that enhances my watching experience.
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Namtab posted:Also being x is an "old man commonly seen in generic novels" in the book, indicating closer ties to abrahamatic religion than the show. 
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