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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Obama commutes Chelsea Manning's sentence
 
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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Bishounen Bonanza posted:

Are you autistic or work for the US government? What exactly is your deal here.
It's incredibly grating that a large fraction of the people lining up to give Manning sloppy blowjobs for damaging our national security and relationships with allies in a childlike tantrum refuse to even acknowledge that the United States has a legitimate interest in conducting private diplomacy and foreign espionage. See: Chomskyan's breathtakingly stupid assertion that the Chinese Politburo have the same expectation of freedom from U.S. Government surveillance as an American citizen does.

Chomskyan posted:

e: Furthermore, from a broader moral perspective anything that it's wrong to do to a US citizen it's wrong to do to a Chinese citizen. Human rights don't depend on Nationality and Nationalism is a cancer on humanity hth
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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Agnosticnixie posted:

The delusion is on the american citizen expecting this freedom really.

Watch out, Donald Trump said he's going to start deporting edgelords next week.

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Agnosticnixie posted:

Excuse me for being cynical about a country that has Tuskegee and Iran-Contra on its recent resume. Maybe the US should stop treating its crimes as a matter of national security.
Oh, I see, you're not being edgy, you're actually that dumb.

American citizens have a right and expectation that they will be free from unwarranted government surveillance, irrespective of whether or not the government lives up to this standard. Foreign entities have no such right, nor expectation, and the U.S. Government has a duty to its citizens to assess and monitor the actions and decision-making of foreign entities by covert means. This is why non-stupid people object to the FBI tapping Martin Luther King's phone, but not the NSA tapping Xi Jinping's.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Jan 19, 2017

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