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Ytlaya posted:It's important to keep in mind that, in a roundabout way, the existence of more radical leftists also lends credibility for the less radical ones. A "the existence of the black panthers makes MLK more palatable" sort of situation. You need both groups to make the relatively more "moderate" version agreeable to more centrist liberals. The Black Panthers appeared after the civil rights act was passed, MLK was killed only 2 years after its founding I never bought the idea that radical leftists make the moderate left more palpable to the electorate, at least in America it's quite the opposite. Students demonstrating and putting up pictures of Lenin and screaming about how America is evil in their protests is what brought the reaction by the silent majority against the center-left 1968-1992. Even labor unions were alienated by the far left of the 1960s when they actually existed in the US. When faced with the fear of far left violence the electorate flees to the right for protection, not to elect the center-left to appease them. Typo fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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I highly recommend you guys read Nixonland by rick perlstein btw, if there is one precedent for president Trump in living memory it was Richard Nixon
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Jan 20, 2017 23:47
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Jack Gladney posted:My mother inevitably slips into calling protests "riots" by like the third sentence and wept when I told her that I participate in peace marches because "the people who do those things are trouble-makers and they don't care who they kill." left-wing protesters are thought of as bad because they are seeing as attacking the nation and patriotism and the police/military, all of which are considered core good things in America. They aren't just attacking specific issues or problems in America: they are seeing as attacking America itself. when you have protesters holding up signs like "patriotism is racism" it inevitably alienates people who live in key electoral areas. Patriotism, nationalism and petty tribalism are very strong forces and I think the left and liberals have a tendency of optimistically believing we moved past it. Also there's no particular reason why fiscal liberal economic policies are attached to socially liberal political parties, for all we on D&D mocked the dogmatic and unshakable faith the Republicans have in the free market, Trump just won the presidency with the two key ideas of repudating free trade and use heavy state intervention on preventing firms from moving capital freely. It's not exactly free market, but it could be sold from the right and not the left. What I'm basically getting at is that Trump is prob only person in America who can sell UHC to the American people. National Socialism is a lot more appealing than left-wing socialism.
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exmarx posted:Blyth gives a nice overview here (18:30) I thought blyth is dead on the money when he says that central bank inflation targeting is being gamed and we should raise inflation levels to alleivate the debt burden and gently caress over the creditors good luck ever selling that to an electorate though they think 100000000% hyper-inflation any day now.
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Mr. Wynand posted:
With Paul Ryan in charge of congress I think we are very safe from this
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Jan 21, 2017 06:33
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Crowsbeak posted:I did give an enemy. Big Money makers like the Devoss's. Even class resentment works a lot better for the right than for the left, if you look at rural white working class voting trump as a big gently caress-you to coastal liberal elites, it's pretty much case in point of class resentment. One of the things about American anti-elitism is that Americans hate the cultural elite more than the economic elite, the cultural elite being rooted in caricatures of liberal college professors or Hollywood which today manifests itself as the "PC-Police". The cultural elite are not necessarily wealthy but Americans hate those guys a lot more than some super rich dude going yeah yeah ban abortion while loving social welfare programs over.
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I also think a lot the resentment does come down to the aftermath of the cultural wars over gay rights. In 2004 being skeptical of gay marriage was a mainstream democratic position, nowadays if you have any doubts about gay marriage you are automatically a bigot. This is a very fast change which occured in under 8-10 years. After one side won the cultural wars the losers pretty much permanently assigned to the basketful of deplorable, understandably that pissed a lot of said losers off. And then over the immigration debate post 2010 or so they wondered why they were being called horrible things like racists and bigots because they want to enforce America's immigration laws, or not wanting to compete with low-education low wage workers from Mexico when from their PoV stopping illegals is perfectly reasonable. When we think of populism we tend to think only of economic populism. Trump and Nixon before him really played on this sort of cultural populism against the elite which was incredibly successful.
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