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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I want to echo what other posters said, that European "liberalism" is not as different from American "liberalism" as is often suggested. They both say that the economy should be left to run itself int othe ground and beyond that people should do whatever. They both also suffer from the same flaw of tolerating bigotry (in every way that matters anyway), since it rarely targets any of its major proponents.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

I know this is a smaller target to aim for and thus trickier to hit, but I really do want to talk about (american-style) liberals, not leftists. I think we have a generational issue here where SA posters mostly know fellow young people, who, if they are into politics at all, tend to hold very strong, rigid opinions and share them freely. But that's not what most older people are like.

I want to talk about the group that's huge, but during the election at least, seemed entirely invisible to D&D. Regular non-angry, non-puritiy-testing liberals who punch a straight-D ballot every four years and go home. Happy Hillary voters - there were a lot of them, no matter how impure she seemed to people here. Those people didn't evaporate overnight when the election happened, and I'm really curious where those people are going to go and what they're going to do.

They are frightened by leftism and as you guys have rightly pointed out, the left is likely to become more uncompromising, for good and for ill. But we aren't talking about the left, unless it's in the framework of how they can mobilize the liberals. We have a huge chunk of mostly-inert voters that we could make use of, but not if we ignore them and not if we deride them. Ignore the presidential elections for a minute - most people in this country vote by party lines no matter what. We'll never have anybody not funded by the pharmeceutical industry to run for president if we don't build up governors, senators, mayors, city council members, school boards, and for my own personal safety please, DAs and judges. How do we get them to show up in off-year elections, use their old-people wealth and status to put pressure on institutions, to act?

How do we radicalize your mom?

Honestly, there's a wealth of socialist rhetoric built up over the past two centuries that people simply don't read. That rhetoric is still effective, but people will only really get exposed to it if they are willing. That shouldn't be a problem with your mum if she's actually and truly disappointed at the Democrats. It is going to be a problem if she thinks the Democrats were failed by their electorate instead of the other way around, however, and that seems to be the dominant tendency within liberal circles that I've seen.

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