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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

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Honestly I'm not really worried about the fate of the neoliberal center-right wing of the Democratic Party. What I'm worried about is if we can take enough control back long enough to make meaningful headway on mitigating what we still can of global warming before they do too much damage. Given how much easier it is to destroy and tear down than to fix or repair, I suspect we won't be able to.

Otherizing and perpetuating hatred against the Chinese isn't going to help when the real, impending problem economically is automation and the obsolescence of our old economic order.

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

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rudatron posted:

Openness, honesty and consistency are not luxuries, to be discarded because you think you can win more votes, they're essential qualities of the better future. The problem with employing 'deceptions' or 'convenient lies' like tribalism, is that you actually end up with people who believe that poo poo, who buy their own propaganda, and it always ends up getting out of control. Once something is released into the wild, you can't predict what it's going to do, and you can't correct it if it all goes a way you don't want it to.

Look at the experience of the 'reagan' conservatives, who peddled for so long to their base the same bullshit over and over again, despite not really believing it themselves - now, their lies have taken on a life of their own, and they're unable to rein it in.

I mean this is basically the story of both the Tea Party and the rise of Trump in a nutshell. The Tea Party is essentially a group of middle to upper-middle class white suburbanites who legitimately believe in movement conservatism and took on enough political power and had enough monetary backing to primary Republicans who didn't satisfy their purity tests, while Trump usurped power by playing to the disaffected anger of lower and middle class white people who felt burned and lied to by the Southern Strategy of Reagan era Republicans, having been promised that minorities and foreigners would be hurt while they would be exempt or prosper but now realizing that only the ruling class had benefited from trickle down economics. Now there's a large bloc of angry people wanting to cash a bad check the Republicans of yesteryear wrote them, and Trump used that to take over the Republican Party and ride it right into the White House - where he will do exactly what Reagan did 30 years ago.

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jan 21, 2017

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