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Ardennes posted:By and large liberals, such as traditional liberals of the 19th century, are desperate not to acknowledge class. If you acknowledge class then it opens a paradox box of issues that often difficult for liberalism to answer. I don't know how they possibly can. I may be channeling a bit of Chris Hedges here, but liberal elites are just as tied to the current (ailing) order of things as the FYGM crowd of astronomically wealthy individuals such as Charles and David Koch. I noticed this during the whole Occupy thing down at Zuccotti Park. I had friends...like crunchy classic socially liberal, from Old Westbury, educated at Sarah Lawrence types that went down there to protest. And I watched the inevitable clash between that group and the legion of guys and gals that originally showed up from the Locals to join them. It petered out pretty fast because...well, trying to mix a bunch of kids with high end degrees from North East Ivy's with a bunch of sandhogs and sanitation guys who casually use the word 'fag' as a noun, a verb and an adjective during a typical shift...is hard as poo poo to do. I don't know if there's a way to reconcile it because that educated liberal segment is, honestly...and this is my own take on this...trying to have it both ways. They have skin in the game. They are educated and have a wide spread of opportunity so they can't 'put it all on the line' and be willing to sacrifice that future for what a unified left's ideal would probably be. Can't get a rap sheet...because that's going to hamper, if not outright destroy, future wealth prosperity. And they want that prosperity. They may not be willing to admit it but they sure as hell want that. I'm in my late 30's so I've watched these people go from crusaders for social justice to unconsciously becoming the things that their parents sculpted them to be. You go to college not to get an education, you go to college to improve your monetary prospects. So now that they have kids, the ones that couldn't quite hack it in NYC's overheated housing market, have started migrating to the burbs right outside the city line. They don't want to send their kids to PS whatever and they can't gamble that their precious are going to hack it at one of the world class institutions that take from all over the city (Bronx Sci, Stuyvesant, LaGuardia..)...and they can't hack the rents (or mortgages) around here and still send them to private school. In a way this also extends to who seeks lower level civic posts as well. A lefty that went to a world class institution and attained a degree...hell even a degree from a good all around university...regardless of whether they come from well-off (but not trust fund territory) land or are the first in their family to go to college are going to look at the potential upside of working in the private sector vs the public sector and the public sector is going to lose almost every drat time. This leaves the democratic bench decimated with the scions of wealth or the legacies of existing political machines and then they seemingly always go on to be the 3rd way people that masturbate themselves endlessly over meritocratic and technocratic ideas. Oh and also it has those liberal types that made a bunch of money in the private sector and then shift gears but they usually caucus in with those same 3rd way types. Meanwhile the guy or gal working for sanitation is just looking to some sort of contract to keep their head above water and not live in poverty in their twilight years....only to get rebuffed and finger wagged by said other group. gently caress man, we're doomed. TyroneGoldstein fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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