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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > The risk of nuclear war between the US and Russia
 
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Sep 4, 2011

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Fried Watermelon posted:

Why would you nuke one of your biggest trading partners?
Art of the deal.

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DeusExMachinima posted:

Climate change is not by any reasonable projection an existential threat to humanity. It can if left unchecked potentially kill 10+% of the population and radically alter the ecosystem in numerous ways, but not literally destroy humanity. As for the nukes since we've got Trump and Putin currently slamming their dicks together and China being our major trading partner I think we're fine at least for now.
Given projected losses in agricultural productivity, and the resulting civil unrest and famine that would come from that, you might be a bit optimistic here. The fastest growing populations in the world are centered around some of the areas that will be hosed the hardest by climate change, and ain't no one else going to be doing anything to alleviate those problems when every major region in the world will see substantial losses in productivity - on top of every other problem associated with global warming.

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Dante80 posted:

Here is the abstract of a 2014 study on the matter, that uses current, precise weather models and also takes into account nuclear warhead miniaturization.

Multidecadal global cooling and unprecedented ozone loss following a regional nuclear conflict

Its not good. Far better than ye olde Nuclear Winter scenarios (based on earlier climate models and very large, imprecise warheads hitting counter-value targets), but still not good at all.
This seems to still have the problem of just assuming that the black carbon will rise high into the atmosphere, through some giant conflagration, rather than air bursts causing more of a slow burn situation as fires and flammable materials are buried under rubble.

Dante80 posted:

Moreover, have in mind that radiation knows no borders. Open a map of Ukraine/Belarus, and see what Chernobyl did to both due to the wind/rain.
Wouldn't it take a while to spread into the southern hemisphere? Fallout from nuclear weapons has a short half life compared to what was poo poo out by Chernobyl, which is an issue in the immediate vicinity where people might suffer debilitating radiation damage, but means better odds as you distance yourself from the immediate area. Especially if you're half a world away.

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