Is Communism good?

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Is Communism good? This poll is closed.
Yes	375	66.25%
No	191	33.75%
Total:	523 votes

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gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

Rated PG-34 posted:

The Act of Killing is a cool and good documentary and gives good tips on killing communists.

And even greater tips on masking the guilt.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 13:31

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gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

D.Ork Bimboolean posted:

Democratic Socialism with some well regulated markets and luxury capitalism doesn't sound that bad as the go to model for the current world.

I think the theory goes that capital by its very nature will coalesce with fewer individuals thus eroding socialist institutions. The model you speak of benifits disproportionately societies in which capital resides and niavely assumes no systemic incentives to erode that contract.

gohmak fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jan 24, 2017

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 14:09

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

Ardennes posted:

How do you get capital outside of development countries without greatly reducing the quality of living of workers living there (ie free trade)? It is an open question.

With capitalism, you don't.

gohmak fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jan 24, 2017

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 14:21

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

hakimashou posted:

Communism is a hellish meatgrinder of evil.

Capitalism is a hellish meat grinder of evil.

My spellcheck is better.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 16:30

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

hakimashou posted:

Capitalism will never die or be diminished. Communism is almost entirely eradicated from the world already, tick tock tovarish.

My household begs a differ.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 16:34

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

RBC posted:

All businesses do this. There's an entire field of industrial engineering dedicated to it. Have you ever held a job?

House of Lies management consultants comes to mind.

gohmak fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 26, 2017

# ¿ Jan 26, 2017 20:13

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

The reactionaries in the thread are just getting lazy.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2017 02:54

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# ¿ May 8, 2024 15:33

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

uncop posted:

I think it should be obvious that full employment policies did in fact not cause labor to slack off at work any more than NAIRU-targeting economic policies. Is there a reason to believe that socialist full employment would function differently from Keynesian full employment?

Tragedy of the commons also has the requirement that the individuals have private property that they accumulate by abusing their common property. In worker directed enterprise, it's the company rather than you as an individual that gets the short-term gain when you abuse the company, so the workers have no incentive to compete on who gets the most squeezed out of the company for themselves before it breaks down. It's actually the opposite historically, capitalist enterprise is more fragile.

You can also have effective organization without hierarchy: organize the roles democratically, through negotiation or in a round-robin fashion between capable candidates. Techniques for this have been successfully pioneered by real organizations, partially even in low-hierarchy capitalist companies.

Basically communism may be utopian and the leap from capitalism to it can fail in a myriad of ways, but from capitalism to a basic market socialist system? Just give the workers right of first refusal on company sales and offer loans to worker collectives on the condition that they reform their company as socialist. Start a huge investment program in socialist enterprise that freed them from paying bank interest rates. I doubt that anybody except the bourgeoisie would feel threatened by that or want to roll it back, especially if you did it during an economic downturn.

What I'm really saying is that people hate the values of capitalism and keeping up the veneer of capitalism being the only efficient system is the main reason that capitalism stays as the dominant way to do business in a democratic society. The capitalist class is a leech that would cause the eventual defeat of capitalist enterprise against socialist enterprise in fair competition, and they know it. Just extrapolate from that, and communism is good. Otherwise my argument is just a pipe dream that makes ridiculous assumptions like a meaningfully democratic capitalist society and the liberal state consistently attempting to equalize the starting positions of promising businesses rather than propping up a few bourgeois clients.

So basically poo poo that Corbin is pushing and the Democrats need to get on board with.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2017 17:23

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