Is Communism good?

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Yes	375	66.25%
No	191	33.75%
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Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Yes it is good.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2017 09:58

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 08:49

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Communism is great on paper.

Capitalism sucks, even on paper.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2017 13:29

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Hogge Wild posted:

I'm not convinced, could you elaborate?

Worker ownership of the means of production is democratic, whereas capitalist ownership of the means of production is dictatorial.
I'd rather live in a democracy than a dictatorship.

HTH

Also if Hakimashou is against it, it's probably real good.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2017 13:32

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want
So tell me what you want, what you really really want
I'll tell you what I want, what i really really want
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, really really wanna full worldwide communism now

# ¿ Jan 21, 2017 14:33

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

There is only one valid critique of communism: situationnism

# ¿ Jan 23, 2017 18:31

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gobbagool posted:

sorry, you seem like a serious fellow. How about this, since you've obviously thought at great length about the failings of capitalism. Can you explain why communism never actually works outside of internet forums or college debate classes? Bonus points if you can avoid the terms "eternal science" and "...didn't actually practice communism"

Trotsky.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 00:39

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Technology allowing for full communism already exists, the only obstacle stems from the reluctance of capitalists.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 12:23

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Jaded Samurai posted:

The middle-income, center spectrum countries in the OECD/Benelux/Scandinavian countries have the best quality of life, the best living standards, the most tolerance for expression, the best political representation, the best civil societies and the best harvests. So yes, ceter paribus the truth is in the middle, wildly popular catch phrase or not. Communism has this

Another natural consequence of trying to redesign humans around Communism, which is an inevitable undertaking for a bad, flawed, irredeemable philosophy that tells people that they are wrong for wanting what they want. "From each according to his need, to each according to his ability" isn't a system, it's a values statement. Oatmeal all day every day. Revolutionary art, revolutionary theater. Always. Forever. gently caress you if you want anything else. Fun and joy are decadent.

Notice how all of these natural everday consequences of capitalism have nothing to do with strict capitalism and everything to do with generic national interest. I suppose someone will say the Soviet war in Afghanistan was for the greater good of the people.

Or a farmer, or an underling, or an artist, or apolitical, or an orphan, or a worker, or a dissenter, or you want a vase to call your own.

You can file that research right here *hands you a shredder*. At least the Nazis explored the idea of relocation for the Jews. The Russian and Chinese agrarian class was executed at a stroke as a matter of course, as though they couldn't afford the paperwork to at least let them file a protest. They probably couldn't.

Lol if you don't think capitalism is totalitarian and permeates children's minds starting at age 0

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 18:19

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gobbagool posted:

next you're going to tell me east germany was neither democratic nor a republic. what other mind blowing things did you learn in babby's first history class this semester?

It seems that your mockery ought to be addressed to Hogge Wild, comrade!

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 20:17

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OtherworldlyInvader posted:

What are your historical examples of capitalist countries devolving into feudalism and communism? If feudalism/communism is the natural equilibrium can you demonstrate several example states which have settled into feudalism/communism from a capitalist system? If again feudalism/communism is the natural equilibrium, what force overcame that equilibrium and made feudal European states liberalize their economies over the last half a millennium, and caused the former USSR states and PRC to embrace aspects of capitalism over the last half century?

America is feudalizin' by the minute.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2017 22:08

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hakimashou posted:

Capitalism will never die or be diminished. Communism is almost entirely eradicated from the world already, tick tock tovarish.

You sound like a drunk Tim Wise, except without the good points.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 00:27

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

In the Bone Clocks, David Mitchell hints at the idea that Iceland will be the last bastion of civilization and humanity.

He's probably right.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 01:06

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hakimashou posted:

Icleandic people are elves dude, it might be the last bastion of something but it ain't gonna be 'humanity.'

Whatever, a pastoral Eden of leisure and tolkiensian poetry sounds like the ideal society. The ship to Valinor only takes communists.

Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Jan 25, 2017

# ¿ Jan 25, 2017 11:50

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

I don't understand why this thread is still open. The first answer to the OP was perfect at rebutting the theses of the OP.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2017 00:11

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Stockholm Syndrome posted:

Look at the history of Soviet Union or Venezuela today. No, communism isn't good and will never work, because people are people. That's it in a nutshell.

People are people, and not cogs in the capitalist machine

Therefore communism is necessary

# ¿ Jan 26, 2017 22:10

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Hakimashou, have you ever heard of Pascal's wager?

Because you better change your beliefs real quick, for when the Revolution comes.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2017 08:08

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MicronAle posted:

I'm sure once human genetic engineering becomes more prevalent there will be Unificationists that desire to genetically modify tribalism out of humanity itself. They would see prior implementations of communism as a nightmare of genetic inequality. Communism ignores the natural human tendency towards tribalism and only attempts to fix it on the class level, not the genetic level. Modern socialists only desire punishment for genetic discrimination (racism, sexism), not making it impossible itself. No amount of education can change the realities of genetic diversity, as long as it exists there will be genetic discrimination.

Radical leftists consider older forms of leftism as immoral, so why would communism be any different to future leftists?

I'm OK with this, as long as every other human being is a clone of myself.

In our glorious genetically engineered future, I'll suck my own cock all day every day.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2017 10:07

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hakimashou posted:

Better dead than red.

the gulag then

# ¿ Jan 27, 2017 11:51

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Saladman posted:

On topic: Anything that's good only on paper is not actually good.

At least communism is good on paper

Capitalism doesn't even accomplish that

# ¿ Mar 26, 2017 02:15

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hakimashou posted:

"Anarchism," if you can be charitable enough to describe the degenerate fever dreams of anarchists with an -ism, is even worse than communism when it comes to relying on people to somehow change their basic dispositions for it to work.

And at the bottom of the pile of bad ideologies, is everything you believe in, hakimashou.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2017 12:56

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hakimashou posted:

A Theory of Justice

Is this the one where you execute the most people?

# ¿ Mar 26, 2017 22:39

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hakimashou posted:

Communism is worse than fascism, the worse parts of fascism like the police state were cribbed from communists.

Huh, how weird, hakimashou doesn't consider mass murder to be the worse parts of fascism.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2017 22:30

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 08:49

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

hakimashou posted:

They cribbed that from genocidal communism too

When the Nazis took power in Germany, communists in Russia had already murdered more than ten million people.

Lol, massive genocide, and in particular genocide on the basis of race, was not invented by the Soviet Union. In fact there are many more well-established capitalist genocides organised with modern tools that the Nazis used as inspiration.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2017 06:49

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